Muhammad Ali- Was he the greatest heavyweight?

[TuPrincipe]

Frazier was so predictable with his head movement when he fought Ali, that's why he always got peppered with jabs, and right crosses.

I think the fact that Marciano, who is arguably the biggest puncher to ever grace boxing, and the fact that he is a swarmer would affect Ali's shot of beating him. If you look at the fight with Frazier, Frazier was really a one-punch trick. His left hook was a devestating shot, but he did not use it like Marciano did to set up his right hand. Frazier had a good right hand no doubt, but it wasn't on Marciano's level.

Marciano was relentless with the way he fought. He had so much heart, so much courage that eventually He would get to Ali on the ropes and just beat on the arms and shoulders until Ali dropped his hands and Marciano would eventually knock him out.

[speed_devil]

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[Heckler]

Frazier was so predictable with his head movement when he fought Ali, that's why he always got peppered with jabs, and right crosses.

I think the fact that Marciano, who is arguably the biggest puncher to ever grace boxing, and the fact that he is a swarmer would affect Ali's shot of beating him. If you look at the fight with Frazier, Frazier was really a one-punch trick. His left hook was a devestating shot, but he did not use it like Marciano did to set up his right hand. Frazier had a good right hand no doubt, but it wasn't on Marciano's level.

Marciano was relentless with the way he fought. He had so much heart, so much courage that eventually He would get to Ali on the ropes and just beat on the arms and shoulders until Ali dropped his hands and Marciano would eventually knock him out.

You aren't getting this are you... Any sportswriter, anyone that KNOWS anythign about boxing knows Marciano wasn't the heaviest hitter of all time, That Ali has Been hit with bigger shots. Marciano swarmed SLOWER then Frazier, significantly slower... frazier only fought Ali after his prime, not the dancing Ali... he wouldn't be able to cut Ali off and are you trying to tell me hes going to inflict more damage then George Foreman? Earnie Shavers? Sonny Liston? Frazier Would probably be AS powerful as Marciano but he had greater handspeed... Marciano wouldn't be able to cut Ali off and when he did hes not going to drop the man with the most conditioned body and best jaw of anyone witnessed.. end of story. Ali Had just as much Courage as Marciano, can absorb more punishment then any other boxer witnessed and is the only fighter Marciano doesn't have the advantage in relation to 'HEART' over..... go read up on your boxing history before you spout ****.

[Heckler]

pls just look at the statistics there all there Marciano harder then everyone and the even came close was foreman

Where are the statistics that show Maricano hit harder then everyone? FOREMAN hit harder then Marciano, Shavers hit harder then Marciano, DEMPSEY hit harder then Marciano and im sure Frazier and Tyson would hit as hard.

[Brockton Lip]

Frazier was so predictable with his head movement when he fought Ali, that's why he always got peppered with jabs, and right crosses.

I think the fact that Marciano, who is arguably the biggest puncher to ever grace boxing, and the fact that he is a swarmer would affect Ali's shot of beating him. If you look at the fight with Frazier, Frazier was really a one-punch trick. His left hook was a devestating shot, but he did not use it like Marciano did to set up his right hand. Frazier had a good right hand no doubt, but it wasn't on Marciano's level.

Marciano was relentless with the way he fought. He had so much heart, so much courage that eventually He would get to Ali on the ropes and just beat on the arms and shoulders until Ali dropped his hands and Marciano would eventually knock him out.

I agree that this would be highly possible. Whoever won this fight would still look like they got hit by a truck.

[Warhawk46]

For all the people on here who automatically assume Ali was the greatest just because he said so...

Did you know that in Ali's "prime" he was dropped by 180 lbs Henry Cooper? Or that a little man, Doug Jones wobbled him visibly in their fight?

This was before he was suspended from boxing...

There is this myth that Muhammed Ali was this UNBEATABLE force. He was quite beatable, in fact he has received around four or five GIFT decisions due to his name...

Ali called himself the greatest often enough that people started to call him that too, sportwriters caught on to this new breed of athlete...Ali was the first major self-promoter...he brought in the era of the egotistical athlete.

He is certainly one of the best heavyweights of all time, but in head-to-head competition, I can forsee a few greats beating him.

Let's not get carried away and say his "footwork" would enable him to dance circles around any great, such as Tyson, MArciano, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, etc...He got caught during his prime by much, much lesser fighters.

Remember, his competition in the 1960s was not so great. By the time he fought Cleveland Williams, Williams was far-removed from his best. Liston threw the second fight. Henry Cooper and Doug Jones had him in trouble. He got pretty good gifts against Lyle and Norton. Chuck Wepner dropped him.

Ali was an all-time great, but I dont blindly buy into the hype that he easily beats any one on any day as so many uninformed fans do.

[KidBlackie]

Ali was a great fighter and great heavy, but his poor fans are delusional, kinda like Rocky, Tito, Tyson, or Manny fans. Poor boys who were always whupped up on while growin' up need heros to idolize.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

wow this is the first time i ever heard anyone say that Marciano isn't the hardest hitter, i thought everybody relized it

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[RockyMarcianofan00]

like i said Foreman and Marciano are very close but Marciano still hits harder
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[Heckler]

For all the people on here who automatically assume Ali was the greatest just because he said so...

Did you know that in Ali's "prime" he was dropped by 180 lbs Henry Cooper? Or that a little man, Doug Jones wobbled him visibly in their fight?

This was before he was suspended from boxing...

There is this myth that Muhammed Ali was this UNBEATABLE force. He was quite beatable, in fact he has received around four or five GIFT decisions due to his name...

Ali called himself the greatest often enough that people started to call him that too, sportwriters caught on to this new breed of athlete...Ali was the first major self-promoter...he brought in the era of the egotistical athlete.

He is certainly one of the best heavyweights of all time, but in head-to-head competition, I can forsee a few greats beating him.

Let's not get carried away and say his "footwork" would enable him to dance circles around any great, such as Tyson, MArciano, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, etc...He got caught during his prime by much, much lesser fighters.

Remember, his competition in the 1960s was not so great. By the time he fought Cleveland Williams, Williams was far-removed from his best. Liston threw the second fight. Henry Cooper and Doug Jones had him in trouble. He got pretty good gifts against Lyle and Norton. Chuck Wepner dropped him.

Ali was an all-time great, but I dont blindly buy into the hype that he easily beats any one on any day as so many uninformed fans do.

I read, i watch his videos... and thus i know he was the greatest, Cleveland williams was at his peak he beat LYLE CLEARLY and he beat norton twice... He never fought cooper in his prime, he fought cooper as the young, naieve CASSIUS clay.. he was at his prime in 1967... chuck wepner dropped him, he got back up and won did he not? you are referring to CASSIUS CLAY in most of your response. No boxer would ever beat a prime 1967 Ali 3/5 times, and majority of the sports writers and rankings by KNOWLEDGEABLE, reputable boxing experts agree.