Muhammad Ali- Was he the greatest heavyweight?

[RockyMarcianofan00]

No champion can claim they beat as many legends as Ali. Liston, Frazier, Foreman. Maybe Marciano, excpet he beat Louis and Walcott after their prime. Ali fought the 2 best he ever fought (Frazier and Foreman) AFTER his prime. That's what makes Ali so good.

Louis may have been out of his prime but he was still a top contender then so you can't even say that it was an easy fight......and Marciano could have beat Ali an out of shape Marciano held his own with Ali so w.e though i know there are ppl that disagree but Marciano would've one that fight no question

a hard fight none the less
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KarinaLYNX

[Tha Greatest]

Louis may have been out of his prime but he was still a top contender then so you can't even say that it was an easy fight......and Marciano could have beat Ali an out of shape Marciano held his own with Ali so w.e though i know there are ppl that disagree but Marciano would've one that fight no question

a hard fight none the less

Dumbest thing I've heard...

[butterfly1964]

why is everyone hating on ali, i don't understand that? ali is the greatest, and it needs no explanation, everyone knows why he is the greatest. it's just that people don't like him for some reason i can't get. he made all the people he fought except a couple due to his age look ****** and he did so in great fashion. and many people bash him cause they say he wasn't that strong. number one he had incredible strength! he friggin' pushed sonny liston away from clenches, you call that weak. and he could have puched hard not just in the 70s but also in the 60s too, it's just that he didn't stand flat-footed like he did in the 70s. he gained like 5 pounds during the layoff and that makes you punch hard if at 5 pounds lighter you couldn't punch at all? the only explanation for his boost in power punching is that he always could, it's just that he was on his toes too much. but ask people like cleveland williams, sonny liston, brian london, floyd patterson, and zora folley, about his punching power: they all fought him in the 60's, when he was supposedly weak, right? but they could tell you that his punches hurt as they all got ko'd, except patterson and liston, but he would have ko'd patterson if he wanted to, and liston would have been ko'd in the 8th as clay predicted if sonny didn't quit after the 6th round. so all this crap that ya'll talk about ali, is garbage, you keep trying to pull him down a peg, but you know he is the real perfect fighter, not louis or tyson, cause everyone wants to be like him, including all you ali haters.

[KidBlackie]

[[[[Joe Frazier should have grown a little thicker skin.]]]]
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You should grow some brains, but we realize you can't grow something from nothing. Frazier's kids were getting into fights at schools with kids mimicking Ali and calling their father a Tom or a gorilla. Ali was incredibly racist back then though it ain't PC to admit it today since he matured.

[butterfly1964]

[[[[Joe Frazier should have grown a little thicker skin.]]]]
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You should grow some brains, but we realize you can't grow something from nothing. Frazier's kids were getting into fights at schools with kids mimicking Ali and calling their father a Tom or a gorilla. Ali was incredibly racist back then though it ain't PC to admit it today since he matured.

"Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong."

ali said this, so that nullifies your argument there. and how is making fun of frazier make him a racist? ali is friggin' black! how is a black gonna be racist against another black? think about what you say before you say it please.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Dumbest thing I've heard...

hey internet's for voicing opinions wether u believe them rite or wrong

i don't like ali but i don't hate him.... i'm not gunna take the fact that he probably was in the top 10 best heavyweights and anyone that takes that away from him is pretty dumb but it ain't dumb to think that marciano would beat him
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Prilosec Lawyer

[RockyMarcianofan00]

why is everyone hating on ali, i don't understand that? ali is the greatest, and it needs no explanation, everyone knows why he is the greatest. it's just that people don't like him for some reason i can't get. he made all the people he fought except a couple due to his age look ****** and he did so in great fashion. and many people bash him cause they say he wasn't that strong. number one he had incredible strength! he friggin' pushed sonny liston away from clenches, you call that weak. and he could have puched hard not just in the 70s but also in the 60s too, it's just that he didn't stand flat-footed like he did in the 70s. he gained like 5 pounds during the layoff and that makes you punch hard if at 5 pounds lighter you couldn't punch at all? the only explanation for his boost in power punching is that he always could, it's just that he was on his toes too much. but ask people like cleveland williams, sonny liston, brian london, floyd patterson, and zora folley, about his punching power: they all fought him in the 60's, when he was supposedly weak, right? but they could tell you that his punches hurt as they all got ko'd, except patterson and liston, but he would have ko'd patterson if he wanted to, and liston would have been ko'd in the 8th as clay predicted if sonny didn't quit after the 6th round. so all this crap that ya'll talk about ali, is garbage, you keep trying to pull him down a peg, but you know he is the real perfect fighter, not louis or tyson, cause everyone wants to be like him, including all you ali haters.

i don't wanna be like ali....like i said just a moment ago he is in the top 10 and ther's no way i'd ever take punching power away from him cause it was there i'm just saying that Marciano could beat him

Marciano's defense was underrated quite a bit

but i'll tell u one thing wether u like it or not Ali basically is the first face that comes to most ppl when they thing of boxing, almost like an ambassador
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HOW TO ROLL BLUNTS

[butterfly1964]

hey internet's for voicing opinions wether u believe them rite or wrong

i don't like ali but i don't hate him.... i'm not gunna take the fact that he probably was in the top 10 best heavyweights and anyone that takes that away from him is pretty dumb but it ain't dumb to think that marciano would beat him

there is no way in hell marciano could beat him. he is too small and too slow. marciano is probably p4p the slowest hw ever, and ali is definetely the fastest, so rocky can't hit muhammad and gets stopped or ko'd in the late or mid rounds.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

there is no way in hell marciano could beat him. he is too small and too slow. marciano is probably p4p the slowest hw ever, and ali is definetely the fastest, so rocky can't hit muhammad and gets stopped or ko'd in the late or mid rounds.

well if u need proof as to the fact that an out of shape Marciano wasn't only stronger then ali in his prime but a better person look at this site of when they were filming the comp sim

http://www.mackinacmedia.com/SuperFight/history2.htm

Marciano even though he was still alittle out of shape and old wanted to turn it into a real fight

Marciano respected ali but ali had little respect for maricano

Ali even said
"I can't believe how strong and how hard Rocky can hit," he said. "Marciano was a lot harder to hit with a jab then he looked. I can feel how great Marciano must have been just from being in the ring with him when he was 46 years old. I can't even imagine what Rocky must have been like in his prime."
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Diannee

[Heckler]

That means absolutely nothing, Muhammad Ali didn't train for that fight NOR take it seriously... it was A FILM in combination with a computer that was less powerful then a modern calculator... Marciano trained very hard for that fight. A prime, trained Ali would beat him... the fact of the matter is he is too fast and fancy, can absorb too much punishment, has a concrete chin and whilst losing on points the rock wouldn't be able to drop him.