Muhammad Ali- Was he the greatest heavyweight?

[smallispower]

True, i think alot of people will put Ali in their #1 position because they don't know better, they think he's the best because they don't know enough about the other fighters, so they pick one alot of people use. No?

[The_One77]

3 of ali's losses were avenged either twice or once.
Ali lost to joe frazier, he avenged that loss by defeating joe twice and that's exactly the same with Ken Norton.
When ali's career was almost finished he took a fighter called leon spinks too lightly and lost, he also avenged this in a rematch to regain the heavyweight title for a 3rd time.
After this fight he retired, but two years later he came out of retirement to fight future top 10 champion larry holmes.
Now it was clear that he was definetly was out of his prime for this fight and to add to that he was having alot of medical problems before the fight.
He lost by tko in the 11th round, that was the first time he had ever been stopped inside the distance.
His final fight was a better display but unfortunetly lost a slim close decison to future champion trevor berbick.
ONLY 2 of his defeats were not avenged and that was because he was an old fighter with the eventual diease that ali would have for the rest of his life, Parkinsons.

[Duncan]

Hmmmmmm........Ali's "technicals skills" were suspect????!!!

Thanks for educating me......I've been following the sport for over 40 years and always thought that his skills were what set him apart. I mistakenly thought that he was a student of the sport..taking the best of Archie Moore, Joe Lewis, Gene Tunney and others and adapting them to fit his style.
Silly me!
Live and learn, I guess!!

Well at least you can admit your mistake! Gas Ped is exactly right, I Ali indeed was never that technically sound AT ALL. I'm no Ali hater either.

[Duncan]

True, i think alot of people will put Ali in their #1 position because they don't know better, they think he's the best because they don't know enough about the other fighters, so they pick one alot of people use. No?

That is a very good point. Alot of people put Ali as number one because he had the biggest mouth. He's certainly the most famous heavyweight ever and, I think, one of the top champs ever...but he was NOT the best. I would also like to make a couple of other observations:

1. He could be deragatory and hateful. He called Joe Frazier a gorilla because his of his real black skin and he did in front of Marvis Frazier. He said Frazier was ugly, that he was gorilla, and that he was "d-d-d-dumb." That sort of racial hatefullness was uncalled for, for whatever reason, especially not to promote a freakin fight, especially after Frazier had helped him, especially at that uneasy time in our nations history for African Americans, and especially when Frazier's son heard it all. (As a sidenote that also triggers a racial undertone, Ali spoke adamantly about the dirtiness of interracial marriage.)

2. Ali was no rocket scientist. He was a great fighter, but he got used as a pawn by some of the more militant forces that got him to say really ****** things (see interracial comment above) that I hope he didn't actually believe.

Those things have always bothered me about Ali the man. And no, I don't hate him. I think he did alot for the sport and fighting wise he was truly a real good fighter. But I admit that I did feel somewhat vindicated for ole' Smokin' Joe when Frazier asked Ali years later "whose d-d-d-d-dumb now?" "Who w-w-w-won those fights now, Muhammed?" on some radio show. It was inappropiate, but I could understand where Frazier was coming from.

O.K., everyone unleash on me...

[AintGottaClue]

the man is the greatest cause he said he is, period.

[Tha Greatest]

That is a very good point. Alot of people put Ali as number one because he had the biggest mouth. He's certainly the most famous heavyweight ever and, I think, one of the top champs ever...but he was NOT the best. I would also like to make a couple of other observations:

1. He could be deragatory and hateful. He called Joe Frazier a gorilla because his of his real black skin and he did in front of Marvis Frazier. He said Frazier was ugly, that he was gorilla, and that he was "d-d-d-dumb." That sort of racial hatefullness was uncalled for, for whatever reason, especially not to promote a freakin fight, especially after Frazier had helped him, especially at that uneasy time in our nations history for African Americans, and especially when Frazier's son heard it all. (As a sidenote that also triggers a racial undertone, Ali spoke adamantly about the dirtiness of interracial marriage.)

2. Ali was no rocket scientist. He was a great fighter, but he got used as a pawn by some of the more militant forces that got him to say really ****** things (see interracial comment above) that I hope he didn't actually believe.

Those things have always bothered me about Ali the man. And no, I don't hate him. I think he did alot for the sport and fighting wise he was truly a real good fighter. But I admit that I did feel somewhat vindicated for ole' Smokin' Joe when Frazier asked Ali years later "whose d-d-d-d-dumb now?" "Who w-w-w-won those fights now, Muhammed?" on some radio show. It was inappropiate, but I could understand where Frazier was coming from.

O.K., everyone unleash on me...

Ali's **** talk was fun but he took it over the line

If I was Frazier, I would've said the same, Ali must have hurt him really bad by his additude

Now Frazier can do his talkin back.....

Joe Frazier was a VERY underrated heavyweight

[Cambria]

I might be a ****face but at least I can figure out how to wear a hat properly...moron.

Ali was a *****, bottom line.

[Cambria]

By the way your lips look pretty big. Do you enjoy sucking Ali's ****?

Oh no the internet soldier is going to start typing... LOL

You are a joke child.

[Tha Greatest]

u aint funny u know...

btw the hat to the side is rippuh style

so read the posts b4 u talk ****

how is ali a *****....I ain't a Ali fan but how is he a pusssy

He fought Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and George Foreman

He took hella shots from Foreman and went to war with Frazier 3 times

and what have you done in the ring that makes u so brave?

[Cambria]

Your post at least made more sense instead of calling names.

He did fight some of the greatest...but.

Part of being a fighter in brains. He didn't have enough to retire when he should have. Lennox and Marciano got out in time.

Don't post after me calling names cause I will give it back to you. If you want me to explain something or elaborate on something I will. Don't **** talk me first.