If Calzaghe could beat Hopkins by just slapping

[kayjay]

the pound for pound list.

There is no such thing as "the pound for pound list."

You're still on all this no0b ****. Like I said, you're ok with me, but you're not to the point where I can talk boxing with you.

[βetamax]

I always suspected Hopkins snubbed him as a child for an autograph and he's been bitter ever since.

[kayjay]

Yeah, and I'm also sure you spent 4 years in prison.

Listen, your whole arguement about how hopkins isn't tough or his neighborhood isn't or whatever the **** you came out looking like an absolute idiot and a hater of the highest degree. You literally spent hours upon hours trying to prove to this site that hopkins isn't tough. lmao, did he **** you're mom or somethin? why so much hate for another man?

It's true. No one from Philly thinks Germantown is a tough neighborhood.

I can't look ****** even if I want to.

I didn't spend much time in jail, no, and I don't hope to

[slicksouthpaw16]

There is no such thing as "the pound for pound list."

You're still on all this no0b ****. Like I said, you're ok with me, but you're not to the point where I can talk boxing with you.

This is a debate where we discuss boxing. I am stating facts that you just don't want to acknowledge. Sizing up resumes is what we do to prove points and get it across. There is no such thing as a pound for pound list now? Hmmmmmm

[BrooklynBomber]

It's true. No one from Philly thinks Germantown is a tough neighborhood.

I can't look ****** even if I want to.

I didn't spend much time in jail, no, and I don't hope to

You did end up in a slammer at least once this summer.

[kayjay]

This is a debate where we discuss boxing. I am stating facts that you just don't want to acknowledge. There is no such thing as a pound for pound list now? Hmmmmmm

There are people who make lists, but those lists are marketing tools that have nothing to do with boxing.

You refer to "the" list, as if there were a list that represented "fact."

I'm on a different level. You may get here, but right now you're repeating child's arguments, so I don't engage them

[kayjay]

You did end up in a slammer at least once this summer.

Luckily not Graterford

[Clegg]

Kessler has beaten no one, and you kind of contradicted yourself by getting to that before i could.

No. I hate the fact that in a lot of posts, I probably seem like one of those condescending pricks, but I feel that I often make a fair, relatively simplistic point, and then have someone misunderstand it. I then feel like I have to simplify it, which sometimes results in the person thinking that I'm being insulting, which isn't how I like to come across. In this instance, You seem to have a limited understand of the meaning of the word 'contradiction'.

You said that he had not taken any risks.

I said that he had, because he had taken and won 50/50 fights.

Knowing what you response would be, I hoped to save myself some time by answering it before you said it. I figured you would respond by pointing to Kessler's resume, and so I was sure to explain the reasoning behind describing it as a risky fight.

If you have a potential opponent who is predicted by about 50% of people to be able to beat you, then that is a risk.

I consider this to be a very simple, fair and reasonable viewpoint to hold, and do not understand why you do not seem to accept that. You are of course entitled to hold a different opinion to me, but you do not seem to grasp what I am saying at all.

The point is that Kessler and Lacy were not pound for pound world class quality fighters, unlike Johnson, Trinidad, Tarver, Wright and De La Hoya, who were all on the pound for pound list at one time.

No, that is not the point. The point is whether or not Calzaghe took a risk. Don't try and change things around.

Calzaghe took more of a risk in fighting Hopkins than Hopkins did in fighting de la Hoya.

Of course Kessler/Calzaghe was an even fight because Kessler was a thread and a very good fighter, who is dis*****g that? I'm saying that Kessler and Lacy were not on the level of competition that Hopkins fought and beat.

No, you are saying that he never took a risk. There is a clear difference between taking a risk and fighting one of the best fighters P4P. The two often coincide, but they are not the same thing.

Calzaghe defending his title against lesser opponents does not impress me and it doesn't make him any better than Hopkins, who defended his title 20 times in a better division and more talented.

Nice bit of opinion. Irrelevant to whether or not he took a risk, but thanks anyway.

[kayjay]

This is a debate where we discuss boxing. I am stating facts that you just don't want to acknowledge. Sizing up resumes is what we do to prove points and get it across. There is no such thing as a pound for pound list now? Hmmmmmm

Who is this "we?" The people who do that are all the **** posters.

[BrooklynBomber]

Seriously people, drop that p4p talk, I mean taking p4p seriously is like considering Britney Spears to be a great artist.
You can only do that from a marketing point of view.