If Calzaghe could beat Hopkins by just slapping

[βetamax]

Good job completely changing the subject and ignoring every point that had to do with the topic at hand.



please, you're talking to me here. You can stop the sarcasm, trolling or whatever it is you enjoy doing.

If you look at the fight without bias, it's either a draw or close W for either guys. This was the kind of fight that people score diffirently. A lot of people are obviously influenced by the biased commentary, crowd cheering for every slap that hits air or nothing significant, Joe lifting up his hand after some rounds, and pure dislike of Hopkins because of things like white boy comments which seemingly still bother you and others.

I scored the fight 115-113 or 114-113 for Hopkins every time I watched it. I actually made elaborations on every round on notes, I wish I could find those because I can't remember everything exactly. He landed better punches troughout the fight, he knocked him down, at times gave him a boxing lesson etc. Be serious now. There's no way Calzaghe won so dominantly.

I scored it 114-113 for Hopkins and I went through each round and watched the exchanges in slow-motion. It was amazing just how far off the compubox numbers were and it was Hopkins landed the vast majority of clean, effective punches which IMO is the #1 criteria for scoring a fight. People are comfortable with the decision won't actually challenge themselves to really analyze the fight the way you and I have.

[ИATAS]

You think Hopkins is cool because of his ****** image.

lol, you're such an idiot. I like Hopkins for what he's done in the ring as well as outside of the ring. I became a fan of his watching him fight, everything else I learned later.

[Clegg]

At least Hopkins fought who was around his weight class.

Someone mentions Hopkins dragging Wright up 16lbs, and you respond by giving him credit for it? Lol.

You fail to mention the names that he actually did beat. He was the first to beat Glen Johnson, the first to beat Trinidad(who had a middleweight title and won it by knocked out against a credible opponent in William Joppy) he beat Tarver who was the ring magazine light heavyweight champion and other good opponents. Oscar also had a title at middlweight and Joppy was a former champion. Please size up Calzaghe resume and show me where he did anything great? He is a good fighter but he simply did not take risks.

False, Calzaghe had fights with Lacy and Kessler that were pretty close to 50/50. He also travelled to America, to fight an America, in front of American judges.

Please, don't respond with any "who has Kessler beat?" BS. You asked about risky fights, and what I've described are risky fights. Don't respond by mentioning Hopkins' age; you mentioned Tarver as a quality opponent and cited him being the Ring champion, so the exact same should be done for Hopkins.

[BKM-]

Giampa and Lederman had it 9-3. I think they were generous in giving Hop two extra rounds. Maybe it's ok to give him one.

He never did enough to convincingly win a round; what he did successfully was sometimes negate Joe's work, but you can't take a round on defense alone.

He wants to land one soft potshot and walk to his right, half turned around the rest of the time.

Lederman is nothing significant. He has scored many fights horribly. And this is what I meant with people being influenced by things like this instead of analyzing the fight itself.

I'll tell you what, Calzaghe was more active in every round, but activity and effectiveness are 2 diffirent things. Hopkins was the one using boxing skills, Hopkins was the one hitting Calzaghe with accurate shots, He was the one that knocked down JC almost 2 times in the fight. What he was doing was being patient, preserving energy and basicely being the smarter fighter.

nice to see hopkins' #1 hater postin up in this thread. Nicely done kayjay, your hate is unmatched, feel proud.

Unfortunately I have to agree. Kayjay is a very good poster but his hate for Hopkins has made him too biased to take serious in this topic.

[BKM-]

I scored it 114-113 for Hopkins and I went through each round and watched the exchanges in slow-motion. It was amazing just how far off the compubox numbers were and it was Hopkins landed the vast majority of clean, effective punches which IMO is the #1 criteria for scoring a fight. People are comfortable with the decision won't actually challenge themselves to really analyze the fight the way you and I have.

Thank you sir. I did exactly what you did. This fight was difficult to score at times. I had to rewind some exchanges because of the camera angles among other things. What you will notice most of the time is that Calzaghe misses way more than he gets praised for, and Hopkins wins most of his rounds by outlanding with accurate effective punches compared to Calzaghe's greater activity but uneffective punches that mostly missed the target.

[kayjay]

lol, you're such an idiot. I like Hopkins for what he's done in the ring as well as outside of the ring. I became a fan of his watching him fight, everything else I learned later.

I am from a tougher neighborhood than Hopkins is, so I don't buy into his ****.

The rest is all nonsense and not worth discussing.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Someone mentions Hopkins dragging Wright up 16lbs, and you respond by giving him credit for it? Lol.

Elaborate, because i don't understand this part.

False, Calzaghe had fights with Lacy and Kessler that were pretty close to 50/50. He also travelled to America, to fight an America, in front of American judges.

Please, don't respond with any "who has Kessler beat?" BS. You asked about risky fights, and what I've described are risky fights. Don't respond by mentioning Hopkins' age; you mentioned Tarver as a quality opponent and cited him being the Ring champion, so the exact same should be done for Hopkins.

Kessler has beaten no one, and you kind of contradicted yourself by getting to that before i could. The point is that Kessler and Lacy were not pound for pound world class quality fighters, unlike Johnson, Trinidad, Tarver, Wright and De La Hoya, who were all on the pound for pound list at one time. Of course Kessler/Calzaghe was an even fight because Kessler was a threat and a very good fighter, who is dis*****g that? I'm saying that Kessler and Lacy were not on the level of competition that Hopkins fought and beat. Calzaghe defending his title against lesser opponents does not impress me and it doesn't make him any better than Hopkins, who defended his title 20 times in a better division and more talented.

[kayjay]

Kessler has beaten no one, and you kind of contradicted yourself by getting to that before i could. The point is that Kessler and Lacy were not pound for pound world class quality fighter, unlike Johnson, Trinidad, Tarver, Wright and De La Hoya, who were all on the pound for pound list at one time. Of course Kessler/Calzaghe was an even fight because Kessler was a thread and a very good fighter, who is dis*****g that? I'm saying that Kessler and Lacy were not on the level of competition that Hopkins fought and beat.

OK I'll play your game. Hopkins beat Johnson, who lost to Sheika, who lost to Joe. Joe's win over Sheika is better than Nard's over Johnson.

Lacy was considered a better fighter than Taylor. Nard lost to Taylor twice, Joe wiped the floor with and ruined Lacy.

Beating Kessler was bigger than beating Oscar and Tito, by a longshot.

Wright was 16 pounds above his championship weight, and arguably beat Hopkins

[slicksouthpaw16]

OK I'll play your game. Hopkins beat Johnson, who lost to Sheika, who lost to Joe. Joe's win over Sheika is better than Nard's over Johnson.

Lacy was considered a better fighter than Taylor. Nard lost to Taylor twice, Joe wiped the floor with and ruined Lacy.

Beating Kessler was bigger than beating Oscar and Tito, by a longshot.

Wright was 16 pounds above his championship weight, and arguably beat Hopkins

Styles makes fights. Johnson was another fighter that Calzaghe was accused of avoiding when he pulled out when the fight was set. Hopkins was also the first to beat Johnson and not only did he beat him, but he dominated him and stopped him, something that has never been done before. Everyone in the world knows that Johnson beat Sheike. It was a highway robbery. Glen was fight in his home town and they even scored a knock down for Sheika when Johnson clearly slipped. You should watch the fight.

Lacy has beaten no one with a pulse. Taylor beat Hopkins twice and fought to a draw with Wright, on top of being on the pound for pound list. Lacy was not pound for pound quality and he was also a paper champion when he fought Calzaghe, not to discredit Calzaghe but thats the truth.

No one knows who Kessler is other than his fans. Trinidad was undefeated and was arguably the best pound for pound fighter in the world at the time. He also had a middleweight title by knocking out a natural middleweight champion in Joppy. Funny how he is all of s sudden past his prime when Hopkins beat him wouldn't you say?

[ИATAS]

I am from a tougher neighborhood than Hopkins is, so I don't buy into his ****.

Yeah, and I'm also sure you spent 4 years in prison.

Listen, your whole arguement about how hopkins isn't tough or his neighborhood isn't or whatever the **** you came out looking like an absolute idiot and a hater of the highest degree. You literally spent hours upon hours trying to prove to this site that hopkins isn't tough. lmao, did he **** your mom or somethin? why so much hate for another man?