21 year old Joe Calzaghe I suggest haters watch this!

[Left Hook Tua]

Does it matter? Hopkins was 25, but he had just come out of prison. Calzaghe on the other hand had a long amateur career.

bernard used to give head in exchange for cigarettes in prison. his nickname in there was Mr. Blow Hop in references to the bubble gum lollipops.





true story.

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Yeah. So your saying, You can't prove solidly who has better oppenents?

In which case all we can go on is opinion?

No, we can use boxrec, which isn't very certain I know, but surely boxrec can change opinion, Tyrone Brunson 19-0-0 (19 ko's), sounds good eh?, now tell me you haven't looked this guy up on boxrec and made an opinion on him.

Which is all i stated. My opinion. Joes resume got better later on imo, Warren got him all the best fights at the later stages of his career.



I never said that. In fact in the lead up to the Hopkins fight i spent a long time arguing the solidity of his resume to people who said that.

I know, I was just talking generally, trying to get away from this argument, But you have to agree that 90% of people on these boards have a go at Calzaghe's resume.

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[Left Hook Tua]

Point is. Hopkins beats guys who started in lower weight classes, Tito who had just KOd a fully fledged middleweight and afterwards did it to other middleweights, and Hopkins 'only fights welter weights'

Hagler has wins over guys who started in lower weight classes. And is one if he greatest middleweights of all time.

Hating Hopkins and saying "He only fought welterweights blah blah" is ****ing pathetic. Plain and simple.

hagler>>>>>hopkins

hagler's opponents>>>hopkins' opponents

i'm pathetic.

viva tito trinidad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[T-97]

I just looked at boxrec. com.

Bernard Hopkins has 5 losses, and Joe Calzaghe has 0 losses.

Joe Calzaghe knocks out more people than Bernard Hopkins, yet every Hopkins fan says Calzaghe has no power.

Joe Calzaghe beat Bernard Hopkins.

They say Bernard Hopkins was better when he was younger. But, the video proves Joe Calzaghe punched very hard when he was younger.

I think there is more proof Joe Calzaghe is better than Bernard Hopkins.

He hasn't knocked out more people actually. Joe doesn't hve power anymore, f you even try to say Joe punches hard these days your crazy.

Hopkisn has 5 losses, 1 when he was unexperienced fighting at an un natural weight. One to Jones Jr, who won a heavyweight title. 2 to Taylor which were controversial and one to Calzaghe which was very close.

There isn't more proof at all. You just want there to be..

The 2 are very similar

[abadger]

How was Hopkins regarded in the US when he was on the way up? From what I read here, he wasn't really thought to be anything special, and this continued quite far into his run of defences. Is that right?

In the UK Calzaghe was always regarded as an outstanding prospect, right from his amateur days when in three consecutive years he won the amateur championship in consecutively higher weight classes. After beating Eubank he was supposed to go on and be a star, but he lost momentum after the Reid fight with some injuries and average performances. In some ways its actually quite surprising that he's now become this megastar because even though he recovered from this and performed excellently for the remainder of his career, there just wasn't that 'defining fight' for him. I think its actually lucky that Lacy and Kessler came aong when they did.

[T-97]

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I havn't looked up Brunson to be honest, But i have heard he has fought comlete bums all his career.

I know, Many people discredit Calzaghes resume, I have had many arguments about it.

[Left Hook Tua]

How was Hopkins regarded in the US when he was on the way up? From what I read here, he wasn't really thought to be anything special, and this continued quite far into his run of defences. Is that right?

In the UK Calzaghe was always regarded as an outstanding prospect, right from his amateur days when in three consecutive years he won the amateur championship in consecutively higher weight classes. After beating Eubank he was supposed to go on and be a star, but he lost momentum after the Reid fight with some injuries and average performances. In some ways its actually quite surprising that he's now become this megastar because even though he recovered from this and performed excellently for the remainder of his career, there just wasn't that 'defining fight' for him. I think its actually lucky that Lacy and Kessler came aong when they did.

he wasn't/isn't special.

the middleweight division was utter crap during his reign.

joppy , holmes and hopkins were 3 long reigning champions for the wba , wbc and ibf.

the fact that holmes and joppy reigned for years at 160 shows the quality of opposition at 160 at the time.

[TheGreatA]

Of course it does.

It's a big difference between a 21 year old and a 26 year old. Hopkins was boxing before he even went to prison.

I don't know what you are getting at with that.

Wilfred Benitez was 17 years old when he defeated long reigning champion and hall of famer Antonio Cervantes.
Mike Tyson was 20 years old when he knocked out title holder Trevor Berbick.
Floyd Patterson was 21 years old won the world title by KO'ing Archie Moore.

Hopkins was boxing before he went to prison yes, but there is quite a difference between a long, successful amateur career like Calzaghe's (fighting and winning against the likes of Chris Byrd) and Hopkins training boxing in prison and before it.

It's remarkable that a late starter like Hopkins without much of an amateur career to speak of managed to become a long-reigning world champion who is still fighting 20 years after.

[Porter's Dad]

Ricky...

you know Calzaghe doesn't give a **** about you, right? You know he isn't even aware of your pitiful existence, right?

[rambov]

At last, proof that Joe is the best and he hits HARD

That was the funniest thing I ever saw.
LOL look at the kid how he didn't want to stare Joe in the face so he kept looking at the ref before the starting bell.

HAHAHAHA. Damn that Joe is the Best of the Best.