If Mayweather were to come back and fight Margarito..

[Vasyl’s dad]

We are not talking about earning a title shot, we are talking about fighting and proving yourself at your own weight division. I do consider Mayweather the best boxer in the last decade. That doesn't change the point that he was unwilling to fight fighters in his "championship" weight class. You can't be expected to taken seriously when you are taking belts from Baldomir. You need to show you can compete in your own division.

nah man.

abilities>>>>actual results.

[Dirt E Gomez]

It really is hard for your to justify your point of him being the 147 pound champ, he hasn't fought anyone that is a natural 147 pounder. Mayweather wouldn't even fight Tszyu back in the day. He simply doesn't face punchers. How are we suppose to know how he performs in this division when he isn't willing to fight anyone from it. A past prime Judah and Mitchell aren't exactly impressive. Cotto took on challengers, Mayweather made excuses and avoided challengers in his division.

Do we honestly know how he would perform against a tough 147 pounder? The answer is no, because he won't fight one. I think he could beat any on them but his unwillingness to do so speaks volumes about his "greatness".

I love the phrase "natural 147 pounder"... Natural weight, fighting weight, actual weight, ring weight... nobody knows this ****. These are made up words used by fans to justify fighters starving themselves and fighting smaller opponents.

Your last paragraphs is what matters to me in all of these arguments... What Floyd would have "probably" done means a lot to me. He's now retired, and unless he comes back all we have is what he did, and thus he becomes talked about for what he showed in the ring and his resume. We continue to talk about the past on these forums and the greatness of fighters, many of whom are dead and despite it being 2008. His "unwillingness" might mean a lot to those who wish to make an issue out of it, but it doesn't detract from anything he DID DO.

[poeticlsykuac]

I've been saying this same thing for ever man.

Hey did you see that fight back when Mike Tyson ****ed up Buster Douglas?

That was classic Tyson. He just came in and didn't even have to fight, he just scowled in Busters face and the fight was over. Not because he was scared of Tysons face,












he just knew about Tysons abilities.

LOL hell of a fight. It was like the were never in the ring.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I love the phrase "natural 147 pounder"... Natural weight, fighting weight, actual weight, ring weight... nobody knows this ****. These are made up words used by fans to justify fighters starving themselves and fighting smaller opponents.

Your last paragraphs is what matters to me in all of these arguments... What Floyd would have "probably" done means a lot to me. He's now retired, and unless he comes back all we have is what he did, and thus he becomes talked about for what he showed in the ring and his resume. We continue to talk about the past on these forums and the greatness of fighters, many of whom are dead and despite it being 2008. His "unwillingness" might mean a lot to those who wish to make an issue out of it, but it doesn't detract from anything he DID DO.

lol, nobody has said otherwise.

What Floyd would have "probably" done means a lot to me.

Does it bother you that Floyds most memorable fights are fantasy matchups?

[Dirt E Gomez]

We are not talking about earning a title shot, we are talking about fighting and proving yourself at your own weight division. I do consider Mayweather the best boxer in the last decade. That doesn't change the point that he was unwilling to fight fighters in his "championship" weight class. You can't be expected to taken seriously when you are taking belts from Baldomir. You need to show you can compete in your own division.

The time at which Floyd arrived in Welterweight and the scene which it is today are very, very different. Time isn't linear, go back and examine the years and where fighters were for what you're insulting Floyd for doing. These forums and the boxing world demanded Mayweather-Judah and Mayweather-Hatton forever, only now does it seem so unfortunate that it happened at Welterweight when certain fighters look even better now than before.

[poeticlsykuac]

I love the phrase "natural 147 pounder"... Natural weight, fighting weight, actual weight, ring weight... nobody knows this ****. These are made up words used by fans to justify fighters starving themselves and fighting smaller opponents.

Your last paragraphs is what matters to me in all of these arguments... What Floyd would have "probably" done means a lot to me. He's now retired, and unless he comes back all we have is what he did, and thus he becomes talked about for what he showed in the ring and his resume. We continue to talk about the past on these forums and the greatness of fighters, many of whom are dead and despite it being 2008. His "unwillingness" might mean a lot to those who wish to make an issue out of it, but it doesn't detract from anything he DID DO.

Ok how about me just saying he wouldn't fight the top challengers in his division outside of Baldomir(bet ever welterweight) proved his point. Judah is a talent but hardly impressive from a mental stand point. Man and Mitchell jeez when is the last time he had an impressive win? You have to make an issue of it otherwise we could watch people hit boxing bags, speed bag, jump rope, hit the pads, and run, and just say he wins. You have to fight the best to prove you are the best, until then you are a front runner and nothing more.

[Vasyl’s dad]

LOL hell of a fight. It was like the were never in the ring.

The best part was when Buster pulled out his little piece of paper of abilities and felt real proud for a minute, then he sees Mike pull out a scroll of abilities. Then he unraveled it and it just rolled all the way back to the dressing room.

That was the defining moment in that classic Tyson ass whooping! I'll never forget the look on Busters face when Tyson said, "excuse me while I whip this out"

[roundingace]

Mayweather would win a boring, pop shotting running match.

[poeticlsykuac]

The time at which Floyd arrived in Welterweight and the scene which it is today are very, very different. Time isn't linear, go back and examine the years and where fighters were for what you're insulting Floyd for doing. These forums and the boxing world demanded Mayweather-Judah and Mayweather-Hatton forever, only now does it seem so unfortunate that it happened at Welterweight when certain fighters look even better now than before.

What about Shane? He has always been around. Why not rematch DLH and take away any controversy? Margarito and Cotto have been around the entire time. Both offered challenges to Mayweather(though I'd say Cotto wasn't ready til this year, ironically when Mayweather retired) Clottey has always floated around the top 10. These guys have been around for years. You are apparently a newer fan and that is cool but buff up on your history before you tell other fans whats what. Williams is the only new one on the scene really and even he has had hype for a while now.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Ok how about me just saying he wouldn't fight the top challengers in his division outside of Baldomir(bet ever welterweight) proved his point. Judah is a talent but hardly impressive from a mental stand point. Man and Mitchell jeez when is the last time he had an impressive win? You have to make an issue of it otherwise we could watch people hit boxing bags, speed bag, jump rope, hit the pads, and run, and just say he wins. You have to fight the best to prove you are the best, until then you are a front runner and nothing more.

Because "wouldn't" and "didn't" are two completely different phrases. He didn't, but unless somebody is actually Floyd Mayweather and can speak of his intentions then we're all on the outside looking in and I'm not about to speculate on it.

With the exception of Margarito's win over Cotto and Williams' win over Margarito, there haven't been any other "big" welterweight fights that aren't tainted by recent losses and things of the like.