Skillwise: Mayweather jr. all time?

[Fox McCloud]

Workrate thats irrelevant....any boxer can just throw countless punches..but why do that when you have pin point accuracy and rarely miss.

So what you are saying... is that he makes up for his shortcoming with his other gifts?

I'm pretty sure that is exactly what I said.

[El Dominicano]

at least he's willing to fight cotto........ :-)

Dam man I ain't f'ing with u. You P4P number 1 when it comes to comebacks LOL

[Burner]

So what you are saying... is that he makes up for his shortcoming with his other gifts?

I'm pretty sure that is exactly what I said.

In the grand scheme of things workrate sint a short copming...every fighter fights diffrent.....


Look at Hopkins who rarely throws..then look at Pavlik who always throws..they are both sucessful..I dont think its a knock on someone if they dont throw a bunch of pucnhes and leave them selves open like an ametuer.

[Fox McCloud]

In the grand scheme of things workrate sint a short copming...every fighter fights diffrent.....


Look at Hopkins who rarely throws..then look at Pavlik who always throws..they are both sucessful..I dont think its a knock on someone if they dont throw a bunch of pucnhes and leave them selves open like an ametuer.

But workrate (or stamina) is a skill, right?

I'm just saying that you don't have to be great at everything to be a great fighter.

[Burner]

But workrate (or stamina) is a skill, right?

I'm just saying that you don't have to be great at everything to be a great fighter.

I would say having great stamina is a skill..I mean if you never get tired your good to go..and I never seen Floyd winded.....

I agree Floyd doesnt have the height or the great one punch power...but just about everyhting else he has.

[KostyaTszyu44]

seeing how he is the premier boxer right now and has been since being p4p since 2005 and he recieves so much biased hate from people abroad, and his gets criticized fro his resume, where do you rank him as far as skillset all time.

imo he's the most fluent fighter i've ever seen skillwise.

his jab is one of the greatest thrown jabs ever
his lead right hand ranks amongst the top 10 period
his movement as far as head/upperbody movement is untouchable
his left hook whether a counter check left hook or lead right hook is the sharpest thrown hook i've seen in decades
his ability to fight in the pocket is amazing
his ability to fight and counter off of the ropes is amazing
he threw one of the greatest and sharpest combos in history against gatti in round 6 of their fight.
his defense is the best of his era, no contest-blocking and slipping punches-countering off of the shoulder roll on the ropes or in the pocket, just beautiful
his body work is completely underrated, he goes to the body whether with the jab or hook is a thing of beauty
his ability to go from defense to offense whether to the head to the body or vica versa is a thing of beauty
his ability to fight off of the back foot, damn near flawless
his stance is one of a kind-he can keep his hands down and throw any punch or keep them up and threw any punch
his accuracy and timing are oustanding---his stamina is amazing--he's a 15 round fighter
his overall intelligence in the ring is the best i've seen in decades
his ability to fight through injuries is amazing--i always said had he not had bad hands, his knockout ratio would be so much higher
his overall skillset and brilliance in the ring ranks amonst the top 10, and imo him, ali, and sugar ray robinson are the most skilled fighters of their era and my top 3 most skilled all around fighters ever.

hes very skilled but thats going a bit far lol

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

... you think both his right hand and left hook are ATG material? Shocking. They are good and effective, but they really don't change fights on a regular basis.
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They did at his natural weights....

[Fox McCloud]

They did at his natural weights....

They really didn't though.

I still am curious where people get the notion that Floyd was a KO machine at 130... he wasn't.

G. Hernandez threw in the towel without going down.
Manfredy got TKO'd on the ropes without going down.
Rios survived.
Juuko went down on a right and was hurt, that is the one big right hand from 130.
Gerena... I've seen it, but I don't remember too much. The right hand played a factor in that brutal looking knockdown, but Gerena got up awfully quick.
Vargas survived.
Corrales was a victim of the left hook all night, except for the last knockdown, which Corrales got up unstunned from.
C. Hernandez survived, but Floyd's hands were ****ed beyond belief... not a great indicator of the effectiveness of his right hand.
Chavez never went down, and was the victim of mostly uppercuts, rather than straight rights.

Floyd had decent stun power, but was never a real lights out puncher, even at 130.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

They really didn't though.

I still am curious where people get the notion that Floyd was a KO machine at 130... he wasn't.
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The statement was "change fights". A punch that stuns you and leads to the TKO is a fight-changing punch.

Agreed?

The punch that made Manfredy back up to the ropes and cover up was a fight-changing punch. It did not have to knock him into next week to alter the course of the fight.

[Fox McCloud]

The statement was "change fights". A punch that stuns you and leads to the TKO is a fight-changing punch.

Agreed?

The punch that made Manfredy back up to the ropes and cover up was a fight-changing punch. It did not have to knock him into next week to alter the course of the fight.

That's true.

But fighters like C. Hernandez, G. Hernandez, Vargas, Corrales and Rios never looked visibly stunned from a straight right.

I just think people remember HBO's claim that he was a power puncher at 130 moreso than the actual results. He had decent power for sure, but I just think a lot of people overrate his 130 power. Calling him a puncher (not you, but I have heard others throw it around) is going a bit far.

Maria Sharapova would get it.