is calzage an all time great if he beats rjj and retires undefeated???

[jcarr71]

Joe will always be remembered as a bit of an oddity, I'd guess. Boxing historians will look back at a guy who fought and beat the best of his era, but only when they were all old together. He was there, a champion, and undefeated during all their primes, but for some reason it never happened. They'll look back and note that he certainly looked good enough to compete with the best, but he just never did.

[Dan...]

Calzaghe IS already an All-Time great. A win over Jones and Hopkins combined with all the rest, will make JC the best of his generation from MW-LHW!

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Roy Jones
3. B. Hopkins
4. James Toney

You are such a joke. Everything you post is a disgrace. You are one of the primary reasons why British posters are ragged on so much on this forum. If it wasn't for the likes of you and Ricky people's attitude would be very different.

[Rafael Benitez]

He avoided them in their prime and still got schooled and floored by an old Hopkins. Yes, Bernard the fans are the judges. Calslappy is ****, and Merseyside is around the corner from Newbridge so I can't be a biased yank. He was portected for a reason, and we saw that when his dad said he needs to win.

Beating a shot Roy Jones at this point would make him as good as Glen Johnson. Why doesn't he call out Sugar Ray Leonard to cement his legacy further? If he was still with Frank even that would be too much and he would probably call out the other Sugar Ray instead!!!!!!

[Pullcounter]

Why wasn't Hopkins "old" when he beat Tarver, Winky and arguably Taylor twice?

It's odd that fighters become "old" or "overrated" AFTER they get owned by Calzaghe!

Hopkins was and is old. he lost to taylor twice. Tarver is also old. the winky fight was just ugly.

[Rafael Benitez]

Hopkins was and is old. he lost to taylor twice. Tarver is also old. the winky fight was just ugly.

Tarver was not as old as Hopkins and was still fresh. He didn't lose to Taylor twice and won the rematch by a good 2 rounds. THE FANS (especially experts like me) ARE THE JUDGES NOT THE OLD WRINKLY TWATS.

JohnnyRebel, wtf are you on about. It was a dodgy split decision! Calslappy hasn't owned **** all. he got spanked and put on his arse. They gave the whiteboy the decision but everyone knows he got schooled. White people are pathetic and in denial. You still lick Fatton's balls and it makes me laugh. Before Floyd fight most smelly white boys at work had nbever seen him box and had £100 bets with me that Fatty would win! I laughed my **** off when he got knocked the **** out. Hope Slaphappy is dumb enough to fight Pavlik. Joe is the great White Hoax.

[IMDAZED]

Calzaghe's chances against prime fights.

Calzaghe vs Jones:
Roy Jones Jr. in his prime would have easily outpointed Calzaghe. Jones was better in almost every aspect. He strengths were better than Calzaghe's. Jones was faster and punched harder. But Jones really has never been a killer instinct guy against high opposition. So it would've been a unanimous decision for Roy.

Calzaghe vs Hopkins 2001:
Contrary to popular belief, Bernard Hopkins has never been a BEAST in the ring. I'm not saying he wasn't a great fighter, but never a monster that walked thru his opponents. Hopkins has always been a cagey fighter who relied more on his pheneomenal strategy and technique as opposed to superior skill set. Hopkins has always held, grappled, clinched and fouled his way to victories. Even in his younger days, Calzaghe would've given Hopkins fits w/ his speed and ring savvy. Calzaghe is no spring chicken either. In 2001, I give Calzaghe the nod via split decision. Hopkins only made Trinidad look so bad b/c he was one dimensional.

Calzaghe vs Prime Toney:
An in shape, motivated James Toney is perhaps the greatest technical fighter of all-time. He was a master at subtle moves to make his opponents miss and was an excellent counter-puncher. He would've destroyed Calzaghe. Toney's body assault was vicious, and he was great cutting off the ring. Calzaghe doesn't have the power to hurt James, but James would wear that body out and KO Calzaghe by the 7th round. However, fat and lazy Toney might have eeked out a slim decision on talent alone.

Calzaghe vs Prime Tarver:
I think Tarver is drastically overrated. So this may be biased. Tarver doesn't fight well in the middle of the ring, which is where Calzaghe would've surely kept the bout. Both are southpaws, so the bout would be awkward for each of them. Tarver has more power, which could be the difference. This one is too hard to call. It could go either way. I'll call a draw here.

A prime Hopkins isn't 36. That wasn't the best Hopkins either. A prime Hopkins is anywhere from 30-34, at least a couple years before he battered Tito.

Unfortunately on this site, no one seems ot even know Hopkins had a career before he met Tito.

[Dan...]

Prime B-Hop beats Joe IMO. Close fight, but Prime Bernard was very good.

[Reggie Miller]

a legend in the uk no doubt.
but atg? HELL NO.

[Rafael Benitez]

A prime Hopkins isn't 36. That wasn't the best Hopkins either. A prime Hopkins is anywhere from 30-34, at least a couple years before he battered Tito.

Unfortunately on this site, no one seems ot even know Hopkins had a career before he met Tito.

Ev at 36 I think he would have decapitated the sheeplover. He beat him and knocked him down at 43! Enzo Calzaghe said so after round 11! Joe is ****e and will never be an ATg and never has been. Only idiots who listen to Barry McGuigans sports network propoganda believe this and also think Amir Khan will be the ****. Jackasses.

[Jim Jeffries]

A prime Hopkins isn't 36. That wasn't the best Hopkins either. A prime Hopkins is anywhere from 30-34, at least a couple years before he battered Tito.

Unfortunately on this site, no one seems ot even know Hopkins had a career before he met Tito.

Please tell me who Hopkins beat before he fought Tito and how any of them were any better than Calzaghe's top title defenses? Since Hopkins had a very late start in pro boxing, he did peak later and his prime was past 30 believe that.