Many ATG's have retired in there Prime! Not just PBF.

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I guess he means strictly resume, Mayweather had his best work at 130 but his only achievement at 135 was beating Castillo, at 140 he beat up Gatti, at 147 he defeated Baldomir, Hatton and Judah, at 154 only one fight against De La Hoya.

As far as resumes go, I don't think he will rated top 5 in any division other than SFW where he had wins over Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Manfredy, Chavez and others.

I agree, but that's usually the case with fighters moving up in weight, and there are only a few exceptions. Robinson. Whitaker possibly cracks the top 5 at 147. Hearns is almost there for 47 and 54. I am also thinking if I can include Ross, Canzoneri and of course Armstrong.

By the way what do you think of my assessment that the worse style matchup for Mayweather would be Saddler out of the 130 greats?

[supermandathoe]

Seriously if you don't like Floyd and hate on him because of his "attitude" you have sensative female tendencies and should get some help to deal with that ****. That being said I am guessing his hunger was gone so he left. Moving on wil lbe easy which such top notch fighters still duking it out to this day.

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Seriously if you don't like Floyd and hate on him because of his "attitude" you have sensative female tendencies and should get some help to deal with that ****. That being said I am guessing his hunger was gone so he left. Moving on wil lbe easy which such top notch fighters still duking it out to this day.

Sadly I disagree with that, Mayweather seems like he was almost the last boxer, now we have ”athletes“, nothing wrong with that, but I like skills.

By skills I include also JC Chavez type of skills, moving forward, cutting off, trapping, dirty fighting, infighting, anything showing hours spent sparring instead of... well Jermain Taylor to make an example.

I dont know if you remember the type of fighters that were around in the 80s early 90s, basically up until the Jones-Toney-Hopkins.

Can you imagine MikeMcCallum among today's jr. middleweights?

The state of skills in boxing today was that an old fat middleweight made noise at HW...

Anyway I hold my fingers crosses and hope that Linares, Juanma Lopez and Gamboa prove me wrong.

[LondonRingRules]

Barry Sanders retired at 30years old.

** Barry faced the best his whole career.

Floydy has been a reluctant warrior the past 4 yrs. I've noted that he faced less of the current Ring or ********* top ranked fighters compared to many other ranked p4pers.

His problems started after Castillo whooped him the first fight pretty good. Fairplay, like Camacho after Rosario, Floydy goes from all action to defensive fighter.

He avoides the direct challenge by Zabby for all the marbles in a super fight to target the WBC Great Gatti for short money. He then challenges Winky after Wink announces he's moving up to middle. Team Wink shows up at Arum's office and Floydy's front porch with signed 50/50 contract, and Floydy disappears into the woodwork for a month. Hightailed it out the back door he did.

OK, he diddles around and Zabby loses to Big Foot Baldy, so Floydy fights a tune up against Mitchell to build his confidence against Zabby.

Then he's booed in his own home town against Bigfoot Baldy and just about cries in the Merchant interview afterward, and thus begins the first of three retirements and counting.

I would put it more simply. Camacho a better talent, longer career, better fighters, and Floydy more discipline. Floydy the WBC p4p greatest champ, and the current quarter p4per in the 4-5 belt era.

Cotto has beaten 6 going on 7 Ring ranked fighters.
Manny has 7 recent HOF bouts, about double Floydy's career total.
Joe undefeated, more title defenses, more belts held, the first dual Ring belt holder.

Floydy beat 3 of the current Ring ranked fighters, same as Ricky.

Hey, I don't make the rankings, just report them as anyone can see easily for themselves.

Cheers now..........

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** Barry faced the best his whole career.

Floydy has been a reluctant warrior the past 4 yrs. I've noted that he faced less of the current Ring or ********* top ranked fighters compared to many other ranked p4pers.

His problems started after Castillo whooped him the first fight pretty good. Fairplay, like Camacho after Rosario, Floydy goes from all action to defensive fighter.

He avoides the direct challenge by Zabby for all the marbles in a super fight to target the WBC Great Gatti for short money. He then challenges Winky after Wink announces he's moving up to middle. Team Wink shows up at Arum's office and Floydy's front porch with signed 50/50 contract, and Floydy disappears into the woodword for a month. Hightailed it out the back door he did.

OK, he diddles around and Zabby loses to Big Foot Baldy, so Floydy fights a tune up against Mitchell to build his confidence against Zabby.

Then he's booed in his own home town against Bigfoot Baldy and just about cries in the Merchant interview afterward, and thus begins the first of three retirements and counting.

I would put it more simply. Camacho a better talent, longer career, better fighters, and Floydy more discipline. Floydy the WBC p4p greatest champ, and the current quarter p4per in the 4-5 belt era.

Cotto has beaten 6 going on 7 Ring ranked fighters.
Manny has 7 recent HOF bouts, about double Floydy's career total.
Joe undefeated, more title defenses, more belts held, the first dual Ring belt holder.

Floydy beat 3 of the current Ring ranked fighters, same as Ricky.

Hey, I don't make the rankings, just report them as anyone can see easily for themselves.

Cheers now..........

who are the the 6 ring ranked fighters Cotto has faced? what do you mean by ranked.

What do you mean by a HoF fight?

knowing you and knowing me, this is going to be a long one...

[Left2body]

i guess it depends on your view of all time great.

see me i judge great as dominating in your era. floyd's resume has a few holes but i still consider it domintating his era.

i consider all time great as in all time in that division or around that division.

for example most people argue that either joe louis or muhammad ali is the greatest heavyweight ever. so i can call ali or joe all time great.

can you really argue that floyd was the greatest lightweight or junior lightweight ever?

not really. unless you're basing it on skills because his resume is not that great. obviously head to head if they fight he can be competitive with anybody but you don't judge guys on head to head. you judge by resume.

Very fair post. I have a much wider view of ATG I guess. I dont only put Ali and Luis as ATG's of HW but I also put in guys like Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes. Guys who might not be as highly regarded but dominated unquestionably dominated there respective era's.

[Burner]

People just don't like his personality is all. He's not a nice guy and flashes his money. That is the only reason people on this board really hate him. There's way too many drama queens on here who judge a FIGHTER by what he does OUTSIDE the ring.

Godammit.....

Close this thread diego murdered you guys.

[roundingace]

LMAO, what else could Micheal Jordan have accomplished? I don't personally favor Mayweather, but I give him credit for doing what he feels was right for him and not caring about anyone else. I still would of LOVED to see him/Cotto.

[Left Hook Tua]

Very fair post. I have a much wider view of ATG I guess. I dont only put Ali and Luis as ATG's of HW but I also put in guys like Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes. Guys who might not be as highly regarded but dominated unquestionably dominated there respective era's.

you could make a fair case for lennox. he has defeated all he faced and he does have tyson and holy in his resume.

holmes would have passed rocky's 49-0 if he didn't get what i feel was biased judging against spinks. i just don't think the judges was to keen on the idea of larry passing rocky.

[Rafael Benitez]

Johann Cruyff retired from International football in his prime, but still carried on playing for club. Jordan made a comeback after retiring in his prime. Paolo Maldini still plays for AC Milan at 39. Floyd is not on this list yet and he knows it so will probably comeback. If not, he is a jackass and not a throwback fighter. A throwback would do Oscar again, fight Cotto and even Margarito before alling it a day. 3-4 more fights is all I think he needs to secure his legacy. I would pay to see him murder Fatty in Wembley.