Many ATG's have retired in there Prime! Not just PBF.

[Left Hook Tua]

You cant count brusseles and ill tell you why. Bruselles was the ONLY way to get to gatti because he was trying to force himself as a mandatory. Hatton wasnt going to fight him, tszyu like you said, chose hatton. He fought gatti likely with the intention of drawing other fighters into the fray.

Who were the beltholders then at 140, i think it was Harris, Tszyu Hatton and Gatti. Who else was there at 140? You had Corley, Judah had moved up.

The fight EVERYONE thought would be career defining was for him to sqaure off against Judah. Look how that turned out, judah lost, and it was already signed and had to be renegotiated. Essentially, judah losing hurt floyd in the end. Other than Tszyu, the only viable option was hatton, but hatton exposed himself by putting off the ****ing fight for so long that they were forced to fight at welterweight. Had they just fought floyd at 140 when he won the linear championship against tszyu, instead of fighting carlos maussa, we wouldnt have this issue.

Again, there were really not that many great options for floyd at 140 unfortunately. But like you said, other than say Casamayor and Freitas, whom he likely would have beaten anyway, there werent too many fighters that would have given him that "career" defining fight. Not to mention, floyd in reality is too good for his own good because guys hes supposed to struggle with, he makes it look easy and it downgrades the opponent.

You cant really compare with pacman because pacman came in when the division was at an alltime high, the latest issue of the ring even says that that period was the best in the history of the division.

you make some excellent points but his resume still could've been better. arum could've made his run a lot better. whether it's arums fault or floyd's i really don't know.

[Left Hook Tua]

PBF did the bold when he left 130 because his first 2 fights at 135 were Castillo who was the best at 135 at that time. Could PBF have a better resume of course. The thing I take into account also is that some fights don't happen for many different reason and its not always the bigger named fighters fault it didn't happen but that is the way it is made to look. In one of the promotions for the PBF vs. Hatton fight somebody from Hatton's camp talked about how that fight was in negotiations for 3 years. But plenty of people was screamin how PBF was ducking Hatton.

i agree with you.

believe me i might not like floyd personally but i'm not a blind floyd hater that calls him chicken and stuff. nor do i really believe that he ducked anyone. he was a bit more picky with his fights than i would like but that is neither here or there.

my argument was the thread starter's called him an all time great and while i agree he has all time great talent his resume doesn't measure up with the others. i understand it's not his fault he doesn't have a duran or hearns to go with his leonard or a frazier or liston to his ali but he could've just racked up the numbers with solid wins. hagler didn't have anyone 'til hearns and leonard came along to dance but what he did was just beat everyone in his division.

unfortunately for floyd he jumped around in weights instead of cleaning up his divisions and as you say lost out on his "moment" when dumbass zab didn't show up against baldomir and when the kostya chose a ricky fight instead.

[El Jesus]

you make some excellent points but his resume still could've been better. arum could've made his run a lot better. whether it's arums fault or floyd's i really don't know.

the only place where i think mayweather had full control to really improve his resume is 147.

people complain about his run at 140, but the only good fighters there were hatton, harris (who infamously and hilariously called him out at the gatti presser) Tszyu. I mean THATS IT.

his runs at 130/135 were outstanding though.

[Left Hook Tua]

the only place where i think mayweather had full control to really improve his resume is 147.

people complain about his run at 140, but the only good fighters there were hatton, harris (who infamously and hilariously called him out at the gatti presser) Tszyu. I mean THATS IT.

his runs at 130/135 were outstanding though.

his run at 130 and 135 were pretty good. castillo and corrales to me are his biggest wins. to be honest with you i thought corrales was gonna teach him a lesson to see him dismantle chico was amazing.

floyd had bad luck moving up. he moved to 135 when he could have waited for casa and freitas to make a bigger name.

when he went up to 140 he couldn't get a hatton for tszyu fight.

he moved up to 147 for the sole purpose of challenging zab and dumbass zab losses his belt , and some of the prestige in fighting him , to goddamn baldomir.

the fight i would've like to have seen was against mosley at 135.

if mosley hadn't moved to welter to fight oscar and floyd moved up to 135 after beating chico or chavez...... i would've liked to see that fight.

[tredh]

i agree with you.

believe me i might not like floyd personally but i'm not a blind floyd hater that calls him chicken and stuff. nor do i really believe that he ducked anyone. he was a bit more picky with his fights than i would like but that is neither here or there.

my argument was the thread starter's called him an all time great and while i agree he has all time great talent his resume doesn't measure up with the others. i understand it's not his fault he doesn't have a duran or hearns to go with his leonard or a frazier or liston to his ali but he could've just racked up the numbers with solid wins. hagler didn't have anyone 'til hearns and leonard came along to dance but what he did was just beat everyone in his division.

unfortunately for floyd he jumped around in weights instead of cleaning up his divisions and as you say lost out on his "moment" when dumbass zab didn't show up against baldomir and when the kostya chose a ricky fight instead.

I like what you had to say especially the bold. PBF wasn't born in the greatest era but it wasn't a weak era either. I understand your point of racking up solid wins. But truth be told his jumping weights was better than just beating everybody at one weight IMO. For 130 I would have liked the Casamayor fight but a win over Frietas wouldn't mean **** right now as far as resume goes. Frietas is viewed as a quitter, he was good back then but over the long haul turned out to be nothing really. After beating Castillo twice at 135 he really had no reason to stay. At 140 he could have stayed a little longer but the fights he was looking for weren't being made. Hatton took to long, many people forget that part of PBF vs. Brussles fight was to measure how Cotto would do against PBF because it was said that Cotto and Brussles had similar styles. I am not say Brussles and Cotto are in the same league as fighters. We all see how that turned out. PBF could have done a lot more work at 140 and 147. At the sametime to me PBF has earned the right to only fight the top 3 ranked fighters at 147. Even though he didn't fight them (which he should have) anybody ranked from 4-10 would have been a waste of time.

[macman]

The obvious picks are Gene Tunney & Rocky Marciano.

The big problem with a comparison to Floyd is that both of these guys had cleaned out their respective divisions, & fought pretty well all the top guys around.

[Live Dog]

The obvious picks are Gene Tunney & Rocky Marciano.

The big problem with a comparison to Floyd is that both of these guys had cleaned out their respective divisions, & fought pretty well all the top guys around.

I like Marciano, but he takes a lot of heat for his resume as well.

[Chrome_It_Bitch]

Whats sad is that people dont realize half of it is for promotion..

true that......

[El Jesus]

The obvious picks are Gene Tunney & Rocky Marciano.

The big problem with a comparison to Floyd is that both of these guys had cleaned out their respective divisions, & fought pretty well all the top guys around.

lol @ marciano cleaning out a division

[Left Hook Tua]

I like Marciano, but he takes a lot of heat for his resume as well.

very good point , live.

retiring undefeated doesn't automatically mean all-time greatness.

joe louis and ali both have losses and both are generally ranked higher than rocky.

imo rocky is great but holmes , dempsey and lewis are above him as well. just my opinion though.