RBR Kessler - Sartison

[withoutthee88]

Overall the Kessler opposition you listed is much better than Pavliks. I don't see how you can say otherwise.

::European bias alert::

[BattlingNelson]

dude, Andrade, Beyer, Lucas, and Siaca are no where near as good as Pierre, Zertuche, and Miranda. And losing to Calzaghe and beating Mundine aren't as good as beating Taylor twice and beating Miranda

Honestly Kball: You gotta be kidding me. The acheivements of Pierre, Zertuche and Miranda is a level below the achievements of Kesslers opponents.

I've no problem regarding Taylor which is an excellent win for Pavlik.

[Clegg]

now they are making as if kessler beat better opponents.....and then they ask us why we call euro's biased?

Yeah, because Americans and Mexicans are never biased.

People are going to have different opinions about who is the better fighter. That's part of why we have world titles, because they serve as an objective measurement. Kessler has beaten several belt holders. Pavlik has beaten one.

You guys hype up Miranda despite him winning **** all. If he wins against Arthur then full credit to him and Pavlik's win looks a lot better, but right now Miranda is a guy who hasn't really done anything to deserve the praise you guys give him.

[Xplosivo]

Probably, but what does that matter? You can't prove an opinion right just by giving another opinion.

what proof have you got he beats pavlik? im just using your logic... but he would rather fight fighters out of his prime over and over again, eubank, then hopkins, now roy jones. he likes em old

[withoutthee88]

This is how I list Pavlik and Kessler's best wins...

1. Pavlik's KO of Taylor
2. Pavlik's UD of Taylor
3. Pavlik's KO of Miranda
4. Kessler's KO of Beyer
5. Kessler's UD of Mundine
6. Kessler's UD of Andrade
7. Pavlik's KO of Zuniga
8. Pavlik's KO of Zertuche
9. Kessler's KO of Siaca
10. Kessler's KO of Sartison

Pavlik's top 3 wins are better than Kessler's best, plus Kessler ran away from Miranda while Pavlik knocked him into oblivion.

I'm done with this nonsense. To Abraham Miranda I go.

[abadger]

::European bias alert::

You people crack me up. You accuse posters like me of bias without once stopping to ask yourself if you might be guilty of it.

Go away, watch boxing, stop being United States fanboys. You know ****.

[withoutthee88]

You people crack me up. You accuse posters like me of bias without once stopping to ask yourself if you might be guilty of it.

Go away, watch boxing, stop being United States fanboys. You know ****.

I was born in Europe, it's pretty easy for me to be fair and impartial.

[abadger]

I was born in Europe, it's pretty easy for me to be fair and impartial.

Right.......

[BattlingNelson]

I was born in Europe, it's pretty easy for me to be fair and impartial.

And you are withoutthee88, you are....

[Clegg]

what proof have you got he beats pavlik? im just using your logic... but he would rather fight fighters out of his prime over and over again, eubank, then hopkins, now roy jones. he likes em old

Ah, so it was just an excuse to complain about Calzaghe again.

I have no proof that Calzaghe would beat Pavlik, but I do have reasons, which I could explain if you'd like. I'm not someone who states my opinions as if they are fact, and have posted before that Pavlik beating Calzaghe is very possible.

The difference is that I can't quite understand your reasoning for being so sure that Pavlik would beat this guy quicker than Kessler did, and would like you to explain it.

You seem to be saying:

1. Pavlik is better than Kessler
Why?
2. Because Pavlik would beat Sartison quicker
Why?
3. Because Pavlik is better than Kessler

Circular logic.