RBR Kessler - Sartison

[Clegg]

what do they have in common then?

1. Both punch very hard. They both hit harder than Calzaghe, Taylor, Wright, Hopkins, Tarver, Woods, Dawson, Johnson, Abraham, Sturm, Mundine etc.
2. Both like to come forward and throw the 1-2. Pavlik-Lockett and Kessler-Andrade are good examples of this.
3. Both look 'big' for their weight class. Whoever they are fighting, both look bigger than their opponent. Pavlik vs Lockett looked like a LHW against a LMW. I would think that both have been physically stronger than all of their opponents.
4. Both have what can be described as an upright, European style.
5. Most people would expect Pavlik-Calzaghe to go the same way as Kessler-Calzaghe.
6. Neither seem to have a well-developed plan B. For example Kessler didn't adapt well when plan A wasn't working against Calzaghe. Pavlik seems to only have one style from round 1 to round 12, regardless of what his opponent does.

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1. Both punch very hard. They both hit harder than Calzaghe, Taylor, Wright, Hopkins, Tarver, Woods, Dawson, Johnson, Abraham, Sturm, Mundine etc.
2. Both like to come forward and throw the 1-2. Pavlik-Lockett and Kessler-Andrade are good examples of this.
3. Both look 'big' for their weight class. Whoever they are fighting, both look bigger than their opponent. Pavlik vs Lockett looked like a LHW against a LMW. I would think that both have been physically stronger than all of their opponents.
4. Both have what can be described as an upright, European style.
6. Most people would expect Pavlik-Calzaghe to go the same way as Kessler-Calzaghe.
7. Neither seem to have a well-developed plan B. For example Kessler didn't adapt well when plan A wasn't working against Calzaghe. Pavlik seems to only have one style from round 1 to round 12, regardless of what his opponent does.

I disagree.

1. Abraham is one of the hardest punchers in the sport, he actually has one punch KO power, I think he hits harder than Kessler, but I think Kessler is the better boxer than Abraham. I also think Abraham is a better boxer than Pavlik but Pavlik hits harder than him, Abraham is very good defensively and has a big punch, also a good counterpuncher. Kessler does not hit harder than Johnson, Dawson, or Tarver either but ill give you Taylor and the rest, Kessler is very patient and picks apart his opponents each round, he slows them down, wears them out, and then stops them. Those other fighters have better pop and are not only naturally stronger light heavyweights but they punch quiet hard, specially Johnson and Tarver.

2. The only difference being Pavlik doesn't wait as much Kessler does, Pavlik has a killer instrinct and is the better finisher out of the two, he also throws more punches that are accurate, Kessler mostly jabs, Andrade was a jabfest I saw that fight and 70% of the total punches were jabs from Kessler where Pavlik uses power punches more than jabs.

3. I dont see what that has got anything to do with their fighting styles.

4. If Pavlik does everything the same as Kessler, you also have to note he punches harder, more consistent, throws more, and lands at a great connect percentage, he also has a good jab like kessler but throws more power punches than jabs whereas kessler throws more jabs than power punches.

5. There is no number 5 so lets bump to 6

6. No, read number 2 and 4

7. Pavlik doesn't have a Plan B? Which fight are you basing this on? Did it ever occur to you he hasn't needed a Plan B yet? Since he has dominated most of his fights. In the first Taylor fight he got hurt in the second round when he got caught leaving himself open, he made it at the end of the round to change his tactics by getting more aggresive, throwing more punches, making Taylor fight backwards and not giving Taylor a chance to fire back. His offense is his defense.


Overall Pavlik is much active, throws more power punches then kesslers jabs, has a better uppercut and has beaten better opposition.

[Clegg]

I disagree.

1. Abraham is one of the hardest punchers in the sport, he actually has one punch KO power, I think he hits harder than Kessler, but I think Kessler is the better boxer than Abraham. I also think Abraham is a better boxer than Pavlik but Pavlik hits harder than him, Abraham is very good defensively and has a big punch, also a good counterpuncher. Kessler does not hit harder than Johnson, Dawson, or Tarver either but ill give you Taylor and the rest, Kessler is very patient and picks apart his opponents each round, he slows them down, wears them out, and then stops them. Those other fighters have better pop and are not only naturally stronger light heavyweights but they punch quiet hard, specially Johnson and Tarver.

You've mostly stated your opinion, which is fine as that's all I was doing, but I'm not really sure how to respond to each individual point without repeating what I've already said.

For example I don't think that Abraham hits harder than Kessler, and I think that several fights bear witness to the fact that Kessler does have one punch KO power. But you already know that I think that, and so repeating it is a bit pointless. Ditto for most of the other things you've said.

What I would say that is that while you've pointed out some differences between them, this doesn't mean that they aren't similar or that there is anyone from 160-175 who they have more in common with than one another.

With those two things in mind, I hope it's cool with you if I don't respond to most of what you've said. I'll go back to any particular point that you think I've missed if you like.

3. I dont see what that has got anything to do with their fighting styles.

You don't think that size or physical strength have an impact upon what happens in a fight?

7. Pavlik doesn't have a Plan B? Which fight are you basing this on? Did it ever occur to you he hasn't needed a Plan B yet? Since he has dominated most of his fights. In the first Taylor fight he got hurt in the second round when he got caught leaving himself open, he made it at the end of the round to change his tactics by getting more aggresive, throwing more punches, making Taylor fight backwards and not giving Taylor a chance to fire back. His offense is his defense.

So because he has won without using a plan B, we should assume that he has one? I think that his flaws were evident in the first Taylor fight. He got hit and didn't seem to know what to do. His guard was all over the place, so he ended up getting hit several more times. Did he bob and weave? Move out of danger while keeping his opponent out of range with his jab? No, he just looked a bit confused and took several flush shots until he went down. Once up he didn't show any great ability to box on the back foot, he just held on until his head cleared. That to me suggests that when thrown out of his rhythm, he struggles and can make mistakes. True, he got through that round, but he seemed pretty hurt and if Taylor hit a bit harder or followed up better it may have been stopped.

He beat Taylor by fighting the way he usually fights, there was no great change in style. He may have been more aggressive in some rounds than in others, but that's all.