If Manny Pacquaio wins a 4th belt, will he be ranked higher than Morales or Barrera?

[MaYaN_SuN]

lol. i bet for some of the ppl here even if pac wins over diaz plus over another ltweight like casa, nate or jmm3 plus a win over hatton, THEY still would find some reason not give credit to pac.

Lightweight is so weak, that Paq actually has a chance against someone like Diaz. I mean off the top of the head, you see that is a safe bout for Paq and a close enough fight for Diaz. Put him in there with Khan or Antillon or even Anthony Peterson...lol You got complete different fights all together. Don't ****in bull**** you're own eyes, or do.

Casa almost lost to Michale Katsidis...lol I won't be surprised if Marquez gets by Casa. And I wouldn't even consider puttin Marquez in with him anyways.

But Mexican fighters take all the risk and get criticized afterwards. They put it all on the line, but you got the Mayweathers, the ****in Paq's, the Hameds, they're all takin/took the safest routes.

Even Norwood and Junior Jones after their success took some steps up against Morales and Gainer. lol Gainer even kept steppin up.

And now this ****in pigme up here from the Brazilian rain forrest talkin about...

"whos resume was better...."

lol Can't be ****in serious, I don't know. Maybe call me crazy, or even a hater, anything you want.





But I want to see Paq against a thick strong talented fighter. I mean if you're not gonna give Marquez his rematch to make a great trilogy, do somthin legitmate. I mean ****, lol the **** is the problem?

[horge]

Let me get this straight...

Whoever Pac doesn't fight gets hailed as some real-deal that Pac's ducking,
but when Pac does open a can of whupass on your boy, all of a sudden
your real-deal was "past his prime"?

Scoring one solid punch that DOESN'T floor Pac proves he has a glass chin,
but Pac knocking your boy down four times or more doesn't mean anything?

Pac's definitely not all that his fans make him out to be,
but your inability to acknowledge any of what Pac does and has done
is really quite remarkable.

h.

[MaYaN_SuN]

Let me get this straight...

Whoever Pac doesn't fight gets hailed as some real-deal that Pac's ducking,
but when Pac does open a can of whupass on your boy, all of a sudden
your real-deal was "past his prime"?

Scoring one solid punch that DOESN'T floor Pac proves he has a glass chin,
but Pac knocking your boy down four times or more doesn't mean anything?

Pac's definitely not all that his fans make him out to be,
but your inability to acknowledge any of what Pac does and has done
is really quite remarkable.

h.

Gettin knocked down only to get up to smack a dudes mushroom head up, is beyond amazing. And 3 of the first knock downs came in a first round. The 4th came when Marquez was reachin, lol **** Barrera caught Marquez reachin. Juan doesn't even have half the upper body movement he once had and he doesnt have half the speed he had. I think "thats" what makes it amazing. And "that" says alot if Paq ever took a step up.

lol Now if you're ****in blind and cant see an obvious safe choice of fights for a certain fighter, I really can't do **** for you. But Guzman vs Soto was to see who gets a shot at Paq. It was a sqaure off for Manny, because Manny got his P4P status off the old tender versions of Morales and Barrera, those 2 names brought Manny the world he lives in. Paq is the number 1 guy for doin that. Typical passing of the crown.

Now I'll give you 3 names..

Paq, Guzman, and Soto. The official guys to "take over below lightweight."

All 3 the best below lightweight. How ****in dense do you have to be to think Guzman or Soto coldn't have built their fame off of Barrera or Morales at that moment in their careers, the same way Paq did?

Now cause Paq has some issues every time he faces off against Marquez, there's no trilogy, lol and there's no real major fights for him with either of the other two guys. I see bull**** and I won't hesitate to call that **** out. And of courseee I'ma hold it down for my guys in the ring. But "especially" when there's blatant bull****..

Mexican fighter's have to take rediculous risk just to build, lol this ****in sloppy ass mushroom head is bein handed slow hands, old guys, and no names. The last fighter to try and do that was Hamed. He got exposed, Paq almost got exposed by Marquez if it wasnt for 1 ****in lucky ass point lol. And they're tryin to prevent it from happenin. Choosin a bunch of safe bets for Paq with no REAL arsenals. lol ****kk thattt.

[whirlwind]

I'd make a long post if I wasn't at work, but I still rate Pacquiao just below Barrera and below Morales a bit more. I hold Erik in very high regard, so I feel Pacquiao still has more work to do to be on his level. I also feel that on both men's best nights Erik beats Manny every time.

I'm not nearly as impressed by jumping several weight classes as some of you too.


Who is "they"? You obviously weren't watching boxing back then, what the **** do you know? That fight was seen as a "passing of the torch" fight, so to speak. It was a good win because Erik was a young up and coming fighter and Zaragoza was coming off several successful title defenses. Just like Pacquiao's second win over Morales was a "good" win. Just nothing to hang your whole career on. Erik doesn't, Pacquiao on the other hand does.

If Eric can match the speed and power of Manny then I agree with you. If not, speed kills and power can change everything as what happened on their rematches. Starting at 106 and holding 4 major belts in different weight classes all the way up to 130 were not there for nothing if he is not something special. A very few people can do it, not even Barrera, Morales or JMM. Besides, he scored a ko's and kd's to them more than you count on your fingers. Even they lost of some of their fights nobody been able to do what Manny did to them.

[BennyST]

Man, apparently I'm on my own in thinking that Pacquiao starting at 108 and winning a 130 Ring title as well as ABC belt is as great as I think it is.

Morales and Barrera were both basically 122 fighters, and neither really fought the stellar type of competition that would transcend making that many jumps in weight successfully.

I think you might find that if you look through who Morales and Barrera beat over their respective careers, it outdoes Pacquiao's quite easily still. Both of them fought a staggering amount of great fighters, but of course the short memory of boxing fans always comes into play and most only now remember them from the last few years when they had already fought for a decade and had any number of title fights.

Whether or not they did the usual weight jumping that is so boringly common now, they were fighting in divisions that had so much talent there was really not much need to go division jumping.

I think the big problem here is the lack of memory which seems to happen so suddenly, but, if you just look at how many great fighters he beat it is amazingly contradictory to what you have written.
Morales beat - Pacquiao, Barrera, Junior Jones, Paulie Ayala, Kevin Kelley, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Guty Espadas Jr, Jose Bueno, In Jin Chi, Wayne McCullough, Daniel Zaragoza. These guys were all very solid world champions who held proper world titles and defended them a number of times.
Barrera beat - Carlos Salazar, Eddie Cook, Daniel Jimenez, Frank Toledo, Agapito Sanchez (fought a technical draw with Pacquiao), Kennedy McKinney, Jesse Benavides, Erik Morales, Naseem Hamed, Kevin Kelley, Jesus Salud, Johnny Tapia, Paulie Ayala, Mzonke Fana, and Robbie Peden. Again all of these guys have held world titles! Don't forget also about some of the great contenders they fought that were good fighters but never won a proper title like Rocky Juarez etc.

Both of these resumes are simply freakish! If you compare that to Pacquiao resume which has only about seven or so world champs that he has beat, half of those being guys that had never fought outside of asia, you start to realise the very large difference. That's not taking anything away from Pac because he is damn fine, but, too many people only look at the last couple of years and Pacs wins over those guys while forgetting the rest of their careers before and all the big wins previous.

Just on a side note: I don't think Barrera was shot the first time they fought. He wasn't himself but he wasn't shot, whereas on the other hand, anyone who doesn't think Morales was completely and utterly shot is just deluding themselves. Morales was done even in their first fight, he was just able to get up that one last time. He started going downhill around the time of the last Barrera fight and after that was shot, pure and simple.

Pacquiao TKO'ing him was great, but, it doesn't out-way the fact that Morales would have been beaten or TKO'd by most of the guys in the division at that time. Just watch a fight of his from five years before or around the time of the first Barrera fight, then look at the first Pac fight and tell me you can't see a really damn big difference. Comparatively, even in the first fight, he looks like complete **** compared to when he was five years before.

[Pullcounter]

pac already surpassed morales and mab

[whirlwind]

Beating a man who beat the man makes you something special. As simple as that.

[Lazy Liberal]

hey Mayan Sun, or whatever you are..................i said morales and Barreras competition and fighters defeated where better than Pac's in my 1st post.............you simpleton.

Manny has a good chin, as evidenced by the guys he 's faced and has yet to be dropped legitimitely. Not too many questioned marquez,Morales and Barreras chins, yet he managed to drop them all.

Put your bias aside, and recognize that Pac is good and has beaten who he needed to beat.

I would love to se him against Guzman, but not Soto, he lost against Guzman and lost his chance to fight Manny.

The DIaz fight will be harder and closer than most are expecting.

[-Hyperion-]

nah........especially when morales' corpse already beat david diaz' ass...

[PapaMo]

PAC beat 3 mexican legends... fought and KD them multiple times... what the **** is wrong with you guys?! give this man some credit.