The genius of beating Baldomir by Mayweather

[Fox McCloud]

Mosley is a good win, but in the sense that it showed me Cotto is smart in the ring, Shane isnt smart in the ring and never has been, had he been smart he would have did what won him rounds and that is box, but he isnt a cerebral fighter. Its a thinking man's game and Shane has gotten really far on speed and strength. Had boxing been a really legit sport and had weigh-ins the day of the fight, guys like Shane and Oscar wouldnt sniff the Hall of Fame.

I wasn't talking about Cotto over Mosley. That is obviously a stellar win.

Margarito over Mosley if it were to happen would still be a good win, even though Mosley is coming off of a loss... PROVIDED that Mosley shows that he still can win after that. If not, there are always the questions about when his last real good performance was, when did he become a fighter that couldn't win anymore, etc.

[Bhopreign]

True.



Not true. Margarito has a **** resume and Clottey and Cintron plus a big name (well if it's Cotto then I guess), is not better then Baldomir and Judah. Floyd's resume at 147 isn't even that bad.

I personally repsect the lineal championship because it's the thing you have to beat the man. Nate Campbell is not the lightweight champion. Miguel Cotto is not the Welterweight champion (even if he has a better resume at 147).

Thing is the Zslot Erdei case is really the only exception where I don't recognize him because back when Hill and DM unified it was still an unknown **** belt and so it wasn't considered a major title.

Even the so-called lineal belt has its flaws.

[warp1432]

Yes, but it's more respectable then some of the other nonsense that goes on.

[Fox McCloud]

Was that sarcasm ? Pssh. Though Mosley coming off a loss to Cotto wouldn't be as bad as Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir to be honest. However, it wouldn't put him above Mayweather's resume at 147.

It wasn't sarcastic at all... that really was about as good as you could get me I think. That was obviously not consistent with what I typed earlier, and I laud you for picking up on it.

I don't know, I guess we will agree to disagree on how good the Judah win is.

Margarito's resume is very questionable to me (meaning that it could go either way), because a lot of his wins were over guys who had the potential to do big, but hadn't yet. If they have good careers post-Margarito, then his stock rises. If not, then those wins mean less.

[Bhopreign]

I wasn't talking about Cotto over Mosley. That is obviously a stellar win.

Margarito over Mosley if it were to happen would still be a good win, even though Mosley is coming off of a loss... PROVIDED that Mosley shows that he still can win after that. If not, there are always the questions about when his last real good performance was, when did he become a fighter that couldn't win anymore, etc.

Look at the competition Zab has fought, you really shouldnt put so much stock in a fighter fighting someone coming off a loss, unless that fighter got beat up in that he doesnt look the same coming into the fight, Zab looked the same coming into the Mayweather fight and the Cotto fight, he lost because he was fighting better competition, not like he CAN'T win again, he did win somie ESPN fights in between those two fights.

[Bhopreign]

Yes, but it's more respectable then some of the other nonsense that goes on.

The ring isnt as respectable when you take into account that it doesnt force you to fight top competition. I think it really should be looked at as an award like Nate Campbell said.

[Fox McCloud]

Even the so-called lineal belt has its flaws.

Yes, but it's more respectable then some of the other nonsense that goes on.

It's true, but there are times when the lineal champion is questioned as to whether he is the true champion or not.

Hopkins was questioned after only beating Wright when everyone was on a Chad Dawson high.

Casamayor was more than questioned after the Santa Cruz disaster and Juan Diaz was beating people up.

Even Ricky Hatton was questioned, coming off of a loss at 147 with Junior Witter looking good.

The point of the thread is that Floyd has the power to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants in the welterweight division because of his lineal championship that he holds and will hold, until he loses.

[Fox McCloud]

Look at the competition Zab has fought, you really shouldnt put so much stock in a fighter fighting someone coming off a loss, unless that fighter got beat up in that he doesnt look the same coming into the fight, Zab looked the same coming into the Mayweather fight and the Cotto fight, he lost because he was fighting better competition, not like he CAN'T win again, he did win somie ESPN fights in between those two fights.

Who has Zab Judah beaten that is so ****ing impressive? Really? Educate me.

Cory Spinks is a great win.

His second best win?

Ummm...

Uhhh...

Well, you may not recognize his name but...

[Bhopreign]

It's true, but there are times when the lineal champion is questioned as to whether he is the true champion or not.

Hopkins was questioned after only beating Wright when everyone was on a Chad Dawson high.

Casamayor was more than questioned after the Santa Cruz disaster and Juan Diaz was beating people up.

Even Ricky Hatton was questioned, coming off of a loss at 147 with Junior Witter looking good.

The point of the thread is that Floyd has the power to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants in the welterweight division because of his lineal championship that he holds and will hold, until he loses.

Exactly, which makes it actually a less credible belt, I like the fact you cant lose it outside of the ring, but it doesnt force you to fight top competition because it realizes its only a magazine, its really an award.

[warp1432]

Zab Judah's top wins:
Cory Spinks
Junior Witter
Demarcus Corley
Cosme Rivera
Micky Ward (well like that counts for anything lol)
Allan Vester