The genius of beating Baldomir by Mayweather

[warp1432]

Not a great fighter to have on the resume.

Gotta disagree with this too. Spinks is a great name to have on your resume because of how slippery it is to catch. Not to mention Judah knocked him out in front of his home crowd.

Judah's resume is actually kinda like Margarito's, but maybe a little bit better.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Youre funny, just because somebody loses doesnt mean anything, Floyd lost 6 amateur fights, you think it helped his opponent coming into the next fight? Obviously you have gone with the majority on this one, because thats the first thing they said before when Zab lost to Baldy, even though Floyd was supposed to fight Zab before the Baldy fight was even made. When the Patriots lose, you think it hinders them going into the next game? If anything you learn from it and not do the thing that caused you to lose, journalists and writers said this about the Zab fight to discredit Floyd if he shoudl win anyway, its no different than what Merchant does whomever Floyd fights, the only time a loss is bad going into the next fight is if that fight took something out of the fighter as in they really got beat up not so in Zab's case.

Thats interesting. When Margarito as an opponent for Mayweather was mentioned, the first thing out of Floyds mouth was how many losses he had. His stans ran with the excuse and have used it for over 2 years now. I'm not sure where you stand regarding Tonys record, but I just hope you weren't one of the ones harping on Margaritos losses as a reason for Floyd not to fight him.

[Vasyl’s dad]

That's nice. He's beaten more top ten ranked welters (who I'm sure were more towards the bottom) because he's been around the longest.

Margarito's 5 best wins:
-Kermit Cintron
-Joshua Clottey
-Subajistian Lujan (sorry if I butchered this name)
- Andrew "Six Heads" Lewis (Already lost to Mayorga)
-Antonio Diaz (already lost to Shane Mosley)

Been around the longest or shortest, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that Margarito has faced more top ten welters than any other fighter in the division, but you're just going to dismiss it as a "**** resume".

Ok, I see how that logic works, not really, but if it makes you feel better.

But really, in the end, Margaritos and Cottos welter resume>>>>Floyds.

Facts, lets stick with them.

I wouldn't doubt if your retort would go on to mention how rankings are pointless.

[warp1432]

Been around the longest or shortest, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that Margarito has faced more top ten welters than any other fighter in the division, but you're just going to dismiss it as a "**** resume".

Ok, I see how that logic works, not really, but if it makes you feel better.

But really, in the end, Margaritos and Cottos welter resume>>>>Floyds.

Facts, lets stick with them.

I wouldn't doubt if your retort would go on to mention how rankings are pointless.

Don't make me laugh. Clottey and Cintron are/were not better then Judah and Baldomir in 2006. Let alone Hatton who was better then both of thiem (Hatton would beat Cintron imo. Clottey maybe. Clottey has **** power Hatton might be able to beat him)

Antonio Diaz/Lewis hadn't proved themselves and had already lost to elite fighters. Lujan lost early in his career so that's acceptable (same with Margarito losing to Rodney Jones) and it's a decent win.

No better then Mayweather's wins.

[Bhopreign]

Thats interesting. When Margarito as an opponent for Mayweather was mentioned, the first thing out of Floyds mouth was how many losses he had. His stans ran with the excuse and have used it for over 2 years now. I'm not sure where you stand regarding Tonys record, but I just hope you weren't one of the ones harping on Margaritos losses as a reason for Floyd not to fight him.

You took one sentence and totally took it out of context with what I was talking about, very typical on this board which has too many members.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Don't make me laugh. Clottey and Cintron are/were not better then Judah and Baldomir in 2006. Let alone Hatton who was better then both of thiem (Hatton would beat Cintron imo. Clottey maybe. Clottey has **** power Hatton might be able to beat him)

Antonio Diaz/Lewis hadn't proved themselves and had already lost to elite fighters. Lujan lost early in his career so that's acceptable (same with Margarito losing to Rodney Jones) and it's a decent win.

No better then Mayweather's wins.

Who has Judah beat? Seriously? Who has Mayweather beat at 47? A front running wanna be stick up kid and a cinderella/rocky story?

Margaritos number of top ten wins is better than anything Floyd has done at welter. Floyd refuses to even fight a welterweight. How is that better than a guy who has beaten the most top ten contenders?

[Vasyl’s dad]

You took one sentence and totally took it out of context with what I was talking about, very typical on this board which has too many members.

No, it wasn't taken out of context. I took it for exactly what was written.


I'm not sure where you stand regarding Tonys record, but I just hope you weren't one of the ones harping on Margaritos losses as a reason for Floyd not to fight him.


So, what was your stance on a fight during that time?

[warp1432]

Who has Judah beat? Seriously? Who has Mayweather beat at 47? A front running wanna be stick up kid and a cinderella/rocky story?

Margaritos number of top ten wins is better than anything Floyd has done at welter. Floyd refuses to even fight a welterweight. How is that better than a guy who has beaten the most top ten contenders?

Mayweather keys wins at 147:
- Carlos Baldomir (on a hotstreak, beat Judah, etc)
- Zab Judah
- Ricky Hatton

Margarito's:
- Joshua Clottey
- Kermit Cintron
- Antonio Diaz
- Andrew Lewis
- Sebstian Lujan

None of these guys were proven like Judah, Hatton, or Badlomir was. I'll give Margarito credit seeing as how Clottey and Cintron are good wins. Diaz and Lewis are ok. Lujan was an impressive performance against a good prospect.

Not better then Mayweather though.

[Bhopreign]

No, it wasn't taken out of context. I took it for exactly what was written.


I'm not sure where you stand regarding Tonys record, but I just hope you weren't one of the ones harping on Margaritos losses as a reason for Floyd not to fight him.


So, what was your stance on a fight during that time?

Do you think I or anyone n here cant read? I was talking about a loss doesnt mean that much just because a fighter in this case fought Floyd, when Zab lost to Baldy. Go away you make no sense.

[Pullcounter]

First off, Floyd has a good overall resume, but really at 147 specifically, he does not have a deep body of work (4 fights) and Mitchell and Judah coming off of a loss are not great. Baldomir is a pretty good win, but now that Baldomir has just been absolutely nosediving, that win looks less glamorous than it did.

The last guy Baldomir fought and lost to since Mayweather was Forrest right??? nothing to be ashamed of that.

Hatton is a great win IMO, but a lot of people seem convinced that he is a 140 pounder who can't fight at 147. In short, his 147 resume is not the type of resume that would place someone that high in another division. IE if Chad Dawson had beaten that kind of competition at 175, he likely wouldn't be so highly regarded.

Actually if Chad Dawson convincingly beat the former undisputed and lineal champ at 175 (let's say Tarver or Glen Johnson), the lineal champ at 175 (I think it's spelled Erdei) and beat the undisputed and lineal champ moving up from 168 (Calzaghe) I think Chad Dawson would be pretty highly regarded and probably a top 10 p4p fighter.

But still, even after Floyd has signed a De La Hoya rematch, and the rumors are there for the Hatton rematch, people are STILL gunning for him at 147.

Would they still be gunning for him at 147 if he wasn't the lineal RING champion?

Yes they would still be gunning for Floyd. Remember Margarito called out Floyd when Floyd was still at 140. They all want to fight floyd because after from 154 to 147, the 2nd biggest and most lucrative fight behind DLH is Floyd. Other than the money, they want to fight floyd because he's p4p #1. Lastly they want to fight floyd because he's the lineal champ.

Really, no matter what happens, a lot of people are going to consider him the champion of that division until he loses, so he will always be in the discussion for the best fights at welterweight.

If he hadn't beaten Baldomir, he may still have been in the discussion for these fights, but there might have been the Ricky Hatton syndrome of calling him too small for the weight.

They would still want to fight floyd even if he hadn't had beaten Baldomir. It's clear that Floyd and Cotto are the 2 best welterweights out there.

I am not 100% sure that this was the plan from the beginning, but if it was? Kudos to Floyd for constructing such a great plan to keep his name in the headlines no matter what he does. He really CAN choose his fights because of it.

It was not Floyd's plan... Floyd's plan was to fight a lineal and undisputed champ in Judah, but since Judah lost to Baldomir, Floyd had to fight Baldomir to be seen as the legitimate champ at 147 since Baldomir was lineal and undisputed champ.

If Arum wanted to he could've made a Baldomir/Margarito or Baldomir/Cotto fight, but Arum did not want to put up the money to steal that fight from Mayweather... that was one huge mistake by ARum.