The genius of beating Baldomir by Mayweather

[warp1432]

In short, his 147 resume is not the type of resume that would place someone that high in another division. IE if Chad Dawson had beaten that kind of competition at 175, he likely wouldn't be so highly regarded.

Nah, if Chad Dawson had beaten the linear champion in Erdei (Well I consider Calzaghe it because the WBO wasn't a major title when Hill and DM unified) and then beat a 168 pound version of Ricky Hatton who was ranked #8 in the world plus and vertan like Zab, He'd get a ****load of respect.

Also I love how every dismisses Baldomir as a bum who got lucky. He busted his ass off for the Zab fight and won through hard work. He also defended his title against Aruto Gatti, which Arturo was the favorite I believe. If pacquiao didn't wipe the floor with Morales twice, Baldomir would have probably been fighter of the year.

[Scott9945]

What's uo with Winky? Is he fighting anyone? I think him and Roy should get it on.

Winky has said he'll never fight Roy, Forrest, or Lacy. It sure seems expensive to have so many friends in boxing.

[Fox McCloud]

Nah, if Chad Dawson had beaten the linear champion in Erdei (Well I consider Calzaghe it because the WBO wasn't a major title when Hill and DM unified) and then beat a 168 pound version of Ricky Hatton who was ranked #8 in the world plus and vertan like Zab, He'd get a ****load of respect.

Also I love how every dismisses Baldomir as a bum who got lucky. He busted his ass off for the Zab fight and won through hard work. He also defended his title against Aruto Gatti, which Arturo was the favorite I believe. If pacquiao didn't wipe the floor with Morales twice, Baldomir would have probably been fighter of the year.

Not, it's true, but I really wouldn't stack up Floyd's body of work next to Cotto favorably.

Margarito needs one more signature win to vault himself past Floyd's 147 resume too.

I'm just saying that the lineal title is the thing that matters in the minds of most people. Even if they don't recognize Floyd as the guy over Cotto, they are all still dying for the Cotto fight to be made, just to make sure, you know what I mean?

[Fox McCloud]

Winky has said he'll never fight Roy, Forrest, or Lacy. It sure seems expensive to have so many friends in boxing.

I understand Roy (his promoter who treated him better than anyone else would have) and Lacy (the prospect he took under his wing from his hometown), but what relationship does he have with Forrest?

You cite that he said he wouldn't ever fight Forrest a lot... what is the reasoning behind that?

[Bhopreign]

First off, Floyd has a good overall resume, but really at 147 specifically, he does not have a deep body of work (4 fights) and Mitchell and Judah coming off of a loss are not great. Baldomir is a pretty good win, but now that Baldomir has just been absolutely nosediving, that win looks less glamorous than it did. Hatton is a great win IMO, but a lot of people seem convinced that he is a 140 pounder who can't fight at 147. In short, his 147 resume is not the type of resume that would place someone that high in another division. IE if Chad Dawson had beaten that kind of competition at 175, he likely wouldn't be so highly regarded.

But still, even after Floyd has signed a De La Hoya rematch, and the rumors are there for the Hatton rematch, people are STILL gunning for him at 147.

Would they still be gunning for him at 147 if he wasn't the lineal RING champion? Really, no matter what happens, a lot of people are going to consider him the champion of that division until he loses, so he will always be in the discussion for the best fights at welterweight.

If he hadn't beaten Baldomir, he may still have been in the discussion for these fights, but there might have been the Ricky Hatton syndrome of calling him too small for the weight.

I am not 100% sure that this was the plan from the beginning, but if it was? Kudos to Floyd for constructing such a great plan to keep his name in the headlines no matter what he does. He really CAN choose his fights because of it.

What are you talking about? You seem to follow what you heard everyone else say about Floyd fighting Zab after a loss, if anything Zab was more focused for that fight had he beat Baldomir. If Zab had beat Baldomir, you wouldnt have seen such a competitve fight with Floyd for the first 4-5 rounds, use your own head and quit following the majority, Ive read some of your posts before, youre better that that.

[Bad_Barracuda]

Baldomir was a borderline respectable journeyman who stumbled onto the title accidentally, and that's why Floyd don't get credit for takin the title from him. He was supposed to win every rd like he did, so the least he coulda done was go all out and KO his overmatched ass but he refused to even try to. Gettin the linear title from a journeyman then refusin to defend it against legitimate WW challengers has soured people on PBF. He'd get all the props due to him if he'd just fight the ****in Cotto-Marg winner after DLH II and forget about a Hatton rematch.

Vernon Forrest couldn't even KO Baldomir..but you think Floyd should have "gone all out" and stopped him.

You sir,are a damn fool.

Why didn't Joe Calzone go all out and KO'd 43 y/o Hopkins?????

Don't give me that bad hands excuse..Floyd has bad hands too..but he doesn't punch like a young girl.

You should apply the same flawed logic you use to discredit Floyd on Joe's SORRY ass.

[Fox McCloud]

What are you talking about? You seem to follow what you heard everyone else say about Floyd fighting Zab after a loss, if anything Zab was more focused for that fight had he beat Baldomir. If Zab had beat Baldomir, you wouldnt have seen such a competitve fight with Floyd for the first 4-5 rounds, use your own head and quit following the majority, Ive read some of your posts before, youre better that that.

Fighting anyone coming off a loss is not a great win to be honest.

Especially when that fighter has lost AGAIN to the only elite fighter he has fought since.

I've always said Judah was a good fighter, but it is becoming more and more apparent that he is only a great fighter for the first few rounds.

[Scott9945]

Nah, if Chad Dawson had beaten the linear champion in Erdei (Well I consider Calzaghe it because the WBO wasn't a major title when Hill and DM unified) and then beat a 168 pound version of Ricky Hatton who was ranked #8 in the world plus and vertan like Zab, He'd get a ****load of respect.

Also I love how every dismisses Baldomir as a bum who got lucky. He busted his ass off for the Zab fight and won through hard work. He also defended his title against Aruto Gatti, which Arturo was the favorite I believe. If pacquiao didn't wipe the floor with Morales twice, Baldomir would have probably been fighter of the year.

I'm not going to call him a bum, but Baldomir was a journeyman who got lucky. He got an undeserved mandatory title shot and got Judah looking ahead to Mayweather, then got the grossly overrated Gatti who was totally shot when he made it to welterweight. Baldomir was in the right place at the right time and caught lightening in a bottle.

[warp1432]

I really wouldn't stack up Floyd's body of work next to Cotto favorably.

True.

Margarito needs one more signature win to vault himself past Floyd's 147 resume too.

Not true. Margarito has a **** resume and Clottey and Cintron plus a big name (well if it's Cotto then I guess), is not better then Baldomir and Judah. Floyd's resume at 147 isn't even that bad.

I personally repsect the lineal championship because it's the thing you have to beat the man. Nate Campbell is not the lightweight champion. Miguel Cotto is not the Welterweight champion (even if he has a better resume at 147).

Thing is the Zslot Erdei case is really the only exception where I don't recognize him because back when Hill and DM unified it was still an unknown **** belt and so it wasn't considered a major title.

[Fox McCloud]

True.



Not true. Margarito has a **** resume and Clottey and Cintron plus a big name (well if it's Cotto then I guess), is not better then Baldomir and Judah. Floyd's resume at 147 isn't even that bad.

I personally repsect the lineal championship because it's the thing you have to beat the man. Nate Campbell is not the lightweight champion. Miguel Cotto is not the Welterweight champion (even if he has a better resume at 147).

Thing is the Zslot Erdei case is really the only exception where I don't recognize him because back when Hill and DM unified it was still an unknown **** belt and so it wasn't considered a major title.

I think Margarito beating Mosley would put him in a higher spot than Mayweather, Quintana too probably.