Interesting Zab Judah quote about Mayweather.

[cupocity303]

Gatti was better at 140.... with age he couldn't do it anymore and tried 147. 147 was too big for him so he lost there too. If there was something in between 140-147, he may have fought another year or two. lol!

You need to look at Hatton's record. He doesn't even have a record at 147 to prove your point. he does have one at 140. Still, you are partly saying what I am saying in that he can't handle 147 fighters.

Still, Floyd had that advantage over Hatton and knew that at 147 it would not be as much of a risk.

Ricky Hatton turned down a fight when it was available at 140. He was scouting out Gatti-Mayweather in Atlantic City and he almost dropped his water bottle watching Gatti get creamed.

There is no proof that Floyd himself demanded the fight at 147, if anything Hatton wanted it at 147 so he can have the 140 Title to fall back to if he losses.

Which he did, he ended up defending it twice more.

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hattons style worked good against smaller guys.

You seem to forget that hatton when not fighting is known as ricky fatton.

If you weigh 180, what is easier for you to make? 147 or 140??

Be logical ace.

How can I forget about his weight ......For sure it must have been a struggle but it wasn't the first time he did it.


You need to look at Hatton's record. If he had a so so record at 140, I would agree with you. If he had a good record at 147, I would agree with you. Neither is the case, so then I need to go with what his present record states.

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Ricky Hatton turned down a fight when it was available at 140. He was scouting out Gatti-Mayweather in Atlantic City and he almost dropped his water bottle watching Gatti get creamed.

There is no proof that Floyd himself demanded the fight at 147, if anything Hatton wanted it at 147 so he can have the 140 Title to fall back to if he losses.

Which he did, he ended up defending it twice more.

We already discussed this in the previous posts. Hatton wasn't ready earlier but then fought Floyd at 147 ..... the point of this is that this gave Floyd the advantage (at 147) and that is what is being discussed here in this thread.

Don't you think Floyd knew it was an advantage for him to fight Hatton at 147?

[cupocity303]

You need to look at Hatton's record. He doesn't even have a record at 147 to prove your point. he does have one at 140. Still, you are partly saying what I am saying in that he can't handle 147 fighters.

Still, Floyd had that advantage over Hatton and knew that at 147 it would not be as much of a risk.

What advantage did Floyd have at 147 that he didn't have at 140?

Speed? If anything Floyd is slower at his 4th weight class.

Power? Floyd was Ko'ing dudes on a regular at the lower weights.


Now scientifically, what advantages does a 170+ pounder have fighting at 140?

Stamina? If anything, losing that much weight zaps your stamina

Speed? Hmm ok

Power?

[cupocity303]

Don't you think Floyd knew it was an advantage for him to fight Hatton at 147?

No, see post above.

The only way Floyd would've been at a disadvantage at 140 would be if he had trouble making 140.

Now who is far more likely to make the 140 limit with much more comfort?

A guy who's walk around weight is 150-155 in good shape in between fights, OR the chubby, pale guy who's face puffs up while he's eating fried foods and guzzling beer at the pub during off season?

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First of all, this 150 is not even official. Secondly, for purpose of discussion, if they do fight at 150 and Manny wins then you must admit that it wouldn't matter what weight the first fight was at. So you can only cry about the one title at 150 .....

Its not about crying, do you see me with a cotto avatar?? do you see me with a manny avatar?

cotto in my opinion has never been that good A LEVEL, MAYBE B- LEVEL. I think manny will be toast against floyd, but my point is this.

MOST IMBECILES WILL STILL GIVE HIM CREDIT TOWARDS HIS TITLE RUNS EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM ARE AT CATCHWEIGHTS.

AND IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT MANNY WOULD BEAT HIM ANYWAY, WHY IN THE **** WOULD YOU WANT HIM TO FIGHT COTTO AGAIN? FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS?

IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT COTTO CANT BEAT HIM, WHY LOOK FOR ANOTHER FIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO?


MANNY BEAT COTTO DOWN. I could understand if it was close. I really could.

FLOYD KO'ED HATTON, I would crucify floyds ass if he tried to fight HATTON RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF THIS SUPERFIGHT! YOU SHOULD BE CRUCIFYING MANNY AS WELL!

BUT YOU ARENT!!!

YOU ARE A FAN BOY!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Now while you are talking about it not being at 150, mannys camp has already stated they would fight him at............... 150!!!!

manny is known for catchweights.

manny has more negotiating power than cotto, as hes top ranks #1 boy, and hes already beaten cotto to boot.

so what do you think is gonna happen??

At least be logical.

I could care less about cotto or manny. I respect cotto more though.

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How can I forget about his weight ......For sure it must have been a struggle but it wasn't the first time he did it.


You need to look at Hatton's record. If he had a so so record at 140, I would agree with you. If he had a good record at 147, I would agree with you. Neither is the case, so then I need to go with what his present record states.

HOW LONG HAS THE DUDE BEEN AT 140? THE DUDE HAD TO GET FAT MELTED OFF OF HIM TO COMPETE, AND THAT WAS WEAR AND TEAR ON HIS BODY! HE WAS NEVER IN GOOD SHAPE POST FIGHTS. THE DUDE WAS FAT, IF YOU COMPARE BODY TYPES HE HAD MORE FAT THAN JAMES LIGHTS OUT TONEY! LOL.

IT was time for him to move from 140!!! THE DAMN DUD HAS BEEN FIGHTING SINCE 1997, AND HIS LAST FIGHT WAS IN 2009!

he only had 2 fights at welterweight COLLAZO AND FLOYD, and he lost to floyd in his second fight.

You cant have it both ways. RICKY ALSO SUSPECTED MANNY OF JUICING TO AND STATED HE SHOUDL HAVE HAD HIM DRUG TESTED LIKE FLOYD IS TRYING TO DO....

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT SINCE YOU LIKE QUOTING RICKY ABOUT HIS BEST WEIGHTS AND ****??

NAW OF COURSE YOU DONT.

YOU WILL TRY AND DEFEND PACQUIAOS CATCHWEIGHTS, AND THEN SIT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND SAY MAYWEATHER HAD THE ADVANTAGE AT 147!!!

MAYWEATHER WAS SIMPLY BETTER THAN HIM!!! FASTER? BETTER BOXER? BETTER RING GENERALSHIP? AND AS YOU PAC FANS LIKE TO SAY COTTO AGREED TO IT, DELAHOYA AGREED TO IT (CATCHWEIGHTS) WELL....


Hatton agreed to terms on 27 July for a 8 December 2007 welterweight fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr

WELL WHO HAD THE ADVATANGE IN THE MANNY FIGHT AGAINST DELAHOYA? HE WEIGHED MORE THAN DELAHOYA THAT NIGHT, BUT I dont see you bringing that up now do I? HE WEIGHED MORE AND THEN PUT A STIPULATION ON HIM THAT HE COULDNT COME IN AT A CERTAIN WEIGHT WHICH HE CAME IN OVER.

BRAVO!!!!!!!

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Pacquiao has fought ONE fight at catchweight

Mayweather has fought ONE fight at catchweight, only difference is, Mayweather did it first and COULDNT EVEN MAKE THE CATCHWEIGHT

so I ask you this, who is the catchweight king?

easy answer, Floyd Jr

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What advantage did Floyd have at 147 that he didn't have at 140?

Speed? If anything Floyd is slower at his 4th weight class.

Power? Floyd was Ko'ing dudes on a regular at the lower weights.


Now scientifically, what advantages does a 170+ pounder have fighting at 140?

Stamina? If anything, losing that much weight zaps your stamina

Speed? Hmm ok

Power?

It wasn't just Hatton. He did it again against Marquez. So in Floyd's last 3 fights, he fought a guy (Mosley) who will be 39 in 2 months (and was rusty), a guy (Marquez - 36yrs) who last fought at 135 (only twice) and Hatton who fought at 140.

As for what advantages does Floyd have you need to look at both fighters. The clear advantage is being in the ring more rounds as WW and looking better than your opponent at WW. Then compare Floyd vs Hatton at 147.

As for what you stated, change the name from Floyd to Hatton going from 140 to 147.
- Did he have enough time to build himself up as a true WW (as a fighter, not just weight). Remember that even though he fought Collazo at 147, he went back down and fought twice at 140 before Floyd.
- Was he able to bring up his power to 147? At 140 (32 KOs), At 147 (0 KOs)
- Was he able to maintain his speed at 147? I didn't see it.




Floyd may not have KO power at 147 but he did KO Hatton! lol!

Anyhow, look at the fight. Hatton's plan was good but he wasn't able to capitalize on that plan because he wasn't effective in putting his plan to completion.

Again, the point is Floyd knew of his advantage against this opponent named Hatton at 147. If you don't see it, then what can I say!

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No, see post above.

The only way Floyd would've been at a disadvantage at 140 would be if he had trouble making 140.

Now who is far more likely to make the 140 limit with much more comfort?

A guy who's walk around weight is 150-155 in good shape in between fights, OR the chubby, pale guy who's face puffs up while he's eating fried foods and guzzling beer at the pub during off season?

Well, your point then holds for when Floyd fought Corrales but that is a different thread all together.

You can only look at their records and how effective they were. Hatton, no matter what you say, was effective at 140. He did NOT show this type of effectiveness at 147. So Floyd has the clear advantage.