Interesting Zab Judah quote about Mayweather.

[Alex_Hayden]

Go away he was signed to fight Zab before he lost to Baldy, keep fishing hater.

No he wasn't.

The guys on Showtime stated that Judah had already signed to fight Mayweather months ago and that Judah's camp didn't know why Floyd's camp was stalling. They said it during the Judah/Baldomir ring walks.

Makes you wonder what would have happen if Judah could have laid Baldomir out. I wonder if Floyd would have still taken the fight.

[ADP02]

Its not about crying, do you see me with a cotto avatar?? do you see me with a manny avatar?

cotto in my opinion has never been that good A LEVEL, MAYBE B- LEVEL. I think manny will be toast against floyd, but my point is this.

MOST IMBECILES WILL STILL GIVE HIM CREDIT TOWARDS HIS TITLE RUNS EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM ARE AT CATCHWEIGHTS.

AND IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT MANNY WOULD BEAT HIM ANYWAY, WHY IN THE **** WOULD YOU WANT HIM TO FIGHT COTTO AGAIN? FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS?

IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT COTTO CANT BEAT HIM, WHY LOOK FOR ANOTHER FIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO?


MANNY BEAT COTTO DOWN. I could understand if it was close. I really could.

FLOYD KO'ED HATTON, I would crucify floyds ass if he tried to fight HATTON RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF THIS SUPERFIGHT! YOU SHOULD BE CRUCIFYING MANNY AS WELL!

BUT YOU ARENT!!!

YOU ARE A FAN BOY!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Now while you are talking about it not being at 150, mannys camp has already stated they would fight him at............... 150!!!!

manny is known for catchweights.

manny has more negotiating power than cotto, as hes top ranks #1 boy, and hes already beaten cotto to boot.

so what do you think is gonna happen??

At least be logical.

I could care less about cotto or manny. I respect cotto more though.

Wait a second here. This thread had NOTHING to do with Manny but Ceilings brought this up. I already told you that I would have preferred 154 instead of 150. I never said that I wanted Manny to fight Cotto but this was thrown at me by Ceiling and now you.

So if you don't care for Cotto vs Manny then I can move on too as I also prefer Manny vs Floyd.

OK?

[ADP02]

HOW LONG HAS THE DUDE BEEN AT 140? THE DUDE HAD TO GET FAT MELTED OFF OF HIM TO COMPETE, AND THAT WAS WEAR AND TEAR ON HIS BODY! HE WAS NEVER IN GOOD SHAPE POST FIGHTS. THE DUDE WAS FAT, IF YOU COMPARE BODY TYPES HE HAD MORE FAT THAN JAMES LIGHTS OUT TONEY! LOL.

IT was time for him to move from 140!!! THE DAMN DUD HAS BEEN FIGHTING SINCE 1997, AND HIS LAST FIGHT WAS IN 2009!

he only had 2 fights at welterweight COLLAZO AND FLOYD, and he lost to floyd in his second fight.

You cant have it both ways. RICKY ALSO SUSPECTED MANNY OF JUICING TO AND STATED HE SHOUDL HAVE HAD HIM DRUG TESTED LIKE FLOYD IS TRYING TO DO....

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT SINCE YOU LIKE QUOTING RICKY ABOUT HIS BEST WEIGHTS AND ****??

NAW OF COURSE YOU DONT.

YOU WILL TRY AND DEFEND PACQUIAOS CATCHWEIGHTS, AND THEN SIT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND SAY MAYWEATHER HAD THE ADVANTAGE AT 147!!!

MAYWEATHER WAS SIMPLY BETTER THAN HIM!!! FASTER? BETTER BOXER? BETTER RING GENERALSHIP? AND AS YOU PAC FANS LIKE TO SAY COTTO AGREED TO IT, DELAHOYA AGREED TO IT (CATCHWEIGHTS) WELL....


Hatton agreed to terms on 27 July for a 8 December 2007 welterweight fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr

WELL WHO HAD THE ADVATANGE IN THE MANNY FIGHT AGAINST DELAHOYA? HE WEIGHED MORE THAN DELAHOYA THAT NIGHT, BUT I dont see you bringing that up now do I? HE WEIGHED MORE AND THEN PUT A STIPULATION ON HIM THAT HE COULDNT COME IN AT A CERTAIN WEIGHT WHICH HE CAME IN OVER.

BRAVO!!!!!!!

You can't say when Hatton needs to move up. I agree that he was dumb for yoyoing with his weight.


You need to go back and remember. Most people thought that there was no way that Manny would beat Oscar. Manny was one fight from his 130 days. So you can't blame Manny for moving up 2 or 3 divisions and asking Oscar to come down one.

Being that some can say Oscar fight was a fluke or whatever, Cotto was ONLY Manny's second fight at WW. I'm sure that if they fought again, Manny/Roach would think it was more of a possibility of beating a 147 WW but that looked unlikely the first 1 or 2 fights.

See, then for his 3rd fight, he fought Clottey at 147.

Manny was moving up quickly and fighting bigger guys.

Floyd has been at 147 for 5-6 years but has fought 2 of his last 3 fights against smaller guys (Hatton and Marquez)

There is a difference!!!

[cupocity303]

It wasn't just Hatton. He did it again against Marquez. So in Floyd's last 3 fights, he fought a guy (Mosley) who will be 39 in 2 months (and was rusty), a guy (Marquez - 36yrs) who last fought at 135 (only twice) and Hatton who fought at 140.

!

Pacquiao - fought Delahoya, a guy who was severely dehydrated, fought Hatton who looked dehydrated, fought Cotto who was damaged good and might've been dehydrated with the catchweight. BLah!

Two can play that game, had nothing to do with what I asked, you're grasping at straws here. The rest of your post was weak.

[krispy kreme]

Pretty true. Not sure on De La Hoya though, I don't remember many people thinking he was 'hot', but I agree in principle.

What happened to this guy??

[cupocity303]

Well, your point then holds for when Floyd fought Corrales but that is a different thread all together.

You can only look at their records and how effective they were. Hatton, no matter what you say, was effective at 140. He did NOT show this type of effectiveness at 147. So Floyd has the clear advantage.

He did not show effectiveness at 147 because we only have 2 fights to look at.

That's why one uses observational skills and logic to come to a conclusion. And when you look at his weight history, one has to think that he is a better and overall more healthier fighter at 147 than at 140.

The only difference, the opponents at 140 are smaller and weaker which is why he was killing himself to remain there. However that doesn't apply to a Floyd Vs Hatton at 147, because Floyd is NOT a big Welterweight and weighs less then Ricky on a all-year long basis.

Floyd beats Ricky at 140 even worse because Ricky has no advantage there unless Floyd weakens himself to make the 140 limit, which I doubt he would considering he weighs no more than 150-155 when he isn't fighting.

The End really, you're not offering anything new but circle jerk criticism.

[Ray*]

No he wasn't.

The guys on Showtime stated that Judah had already signed to fight Mayweather months ago and that Judah's camp didn't know why Floyd's camp was stalling. They said it during the Judah/Baldomir ring walks.

Makes you wonder what would have happen if Judah could have laid Baldomir out. I wonder if Floyd would have still taken the fight.

Well Mayweather was with Top rank at the time and they have contract problems, He end up signing a one fight deal with an option of buying out his contract if his guarantees were not met. And while negotiating for a Margarito,Cotto,Hatton and de la hoya fight Arum couldnt meet his "Contractual" guarantees with Mayweather which open the door for Mayweather to buy himself out of his contract which he duly did after his last fight with Top rank (Judah).

[ADP02]

Pacquiao - fought Delahoya, a guy who was severely dehydrated, fought Hatton who looked dehydrated, fought Cotto who was damaged good and might've been dehydrated with the catchweight. BLah!

Two can play that game, had nothing to do with what I asked, you're grasping at straws here. The rest of your post was weak.

You are the one grasping at straws.

You are saying that all those guys "looked" or "probably" were dehydrated but you can't say it as a fact.

Manny had to move up 2 and was one fight from saying 3 divisions when he fought Delahoya. So 147 was a compromise. Manny was the underdog in that fight.


What did the brave Floyd have to do (compromise) when he fought Hatton? Same goes with Marquez in which he didn't even want to make the intially agreed weight!

[Marcov]

zab was never in floyd's league and it showed in their fight. cotto will get done the same way. just not skilled enough

Zab was beating Mayweather in the early going before he tired as he usely does. I don't know if it was because Mayweather took Judah lightly because Judah lost to Baldomir or if Judah's southpaw style was confusing for Mayweather. I was just shocked that Judah lost the WBA belt to Baldomir and the WBA took it back so Mayweather-Judah could be for a title.

[ADP02]

He did not show effectiveness at 147 because we only have 2 fights to look at.

That's why one uses observational skills and logic to come to a conclusion. And when you look at his weight history, one has to think that he is a better and overall more healthier fighter at 147 than at 140.

The only difference, the opponents at 140 are smaller and weaker which is why he was killing himself to remain there. However that doesn't apply to a Floyd Vs Hatton at 147, because Floyd is NOT a big Welterweight and weighs less then Ricky on a all-year long basis.

Floyd beats Ricky at 140 even worse because Ricky has no advantage there unless Floyd weakens himself to make the 140 limit, which I doubt he would considering he weighs no more than 150-155 when he isn't fighting.

The End really, you're not offering anything new but circle jerk criticism.

What? You are using some weird logic to state that Hatton would be better off fighting Floyd at 147 when history has it that Hatton fought well at 140 but was mediocre at best at 147. So this was advantage for Floyd.

I will tell you what Hatton had to do. He should have stopped impersonating James Toney when he was off from his day job as a boxer and looked after himself.

As for 147, Hatton had to first prove to the world that he belonged there before I or you can say with confidence that he belonged at 147. You on the other hand appear to think otherwise. Why? After the Floyd fight, Hatton went down and fought 3 more times instead of staying at 147. Hatton was and never would be a 147 fighter and the records prove it 100%

End of story!