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What gets me is the people going "After joe whoops roy, then he can fight so and so.."
as if this fight is a no-brainer... a pushover... a tease.. a joke...
Th only joke is those peoples mentality of what roy still has left.
THeres nothing wrong with feeling joe will beat roy, thats more than reasonable... but to brush off roy as if he is nothing, is absolutely absurd.
The REAL one punch at a time was bernard hopkins... and the guy who REALLY showed fatigue was bernard hopkins after round 5... roy still does have stamina regardless of what people think, hes always had tremendous stamina... he still has faster hands than both bernard AN joe IMO... roy throws FAST straight leads ALL the time, uppercuts hooks... 3,4,5 punch combos, and double left hooks... STILL.... he has more power than bernard... as he is just naturally bigger... and joe is no where near the puncher that tarver was...
Theres nothin wrong with thinkin joe would beat roy... just dont brush off roy as if hes nobody.
what else is funny.. if the roy that fought tito... lets just say we gave roy a different name in that fight... lets call him paul... and lets say hes a great prospect in the game, and tito is fighting him as a tune up... try to follow me here... its actually roy fighting, but lets just say we dont know its roy... after the fight, we would all be like... i mean this paul guy has got some great hand speed, and combinations, and blah blah... i think he would be praised... but since we only COMPARE this roy to the old roy... this roy looks like ****... but how many world champions looked like **** compare to the old roy? This roy may not be on that level anymore... but hes still elite, regardless of what people think.. he can still compete, and he can still spoil your fight game.
The last thing is people say he doesnt have the reflexes , that was his whole thing... well in case nobodys noticed... roys completely changed the way he fights... instead of using reflexes and lateral movement for defense, he now uses his still intact hand eye coordination, keeps his hands up to block punches, and looks for sharp quick counters after the opponent throws... its not the same style anymore.. and i praise him for being 39 yrs old, fighting one way his whole life.. and being able to change it up at the latest stage in his career.... not many people can do that...Comment
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You're right of course, it is absolutely disingenuous to suggest that Roy has zero chance against Calzaghe. I didn't mean to offend you, but I'm sure you know how tempting it can be at times to unleash the strongest possible version of your opinions and watch the **** fly afterwards.
Outside of your assessment that Roy has modified his game to suit his now decreased skillset, which I think is true and does mean that whilst Roy might not win, he will put up a better showing than in his truly bad fights, there is at least one massive unknown in this fight, and it is an unknown on which my argument for a comfortable calzaghe victory rests: how good Joe Calzaghe still really is. I cannot deny that the fighter we saw against Hopkins did not look as good as the fighter we saw against Lacy and Kessler, or really in any of his major fights in his career.
The standard explanation for this is 'Hopkins will make anyone look bad' and maybe thats true, but if I'm honest I was expecting more from Joe. I guess against Roy we will find out for sure. This fact alone means that the outcome of the fight is not certain until they step into the ring on fight night.
That said, I do still stand by most of what I said. I do believe that Roy Jones is shot, I don't believe that Calzaghe is, and I don't believe that Roy will be ahead or look like winning the fight any time other than the very earliest rounds. It'll probably be a comfortable Calzaghe UD, possibly even an accumulation TKO if Roy, who hasn't fought a fighter on Calzaghe's level for a while now, has declined any further at all from his Tarver era.Comment
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I think this fight completely depends on what roy shows up... roy in his prime IMO is just way too much for joe c.... nowadays... im not so sure... with that said.. it really depends on how roy shows up... i know for all his BIG fights, hes ALWAYS showed up...
lets be honest... and im not excuses but as a realist.. after winning the HW title, who the hell is tarver and glen johnson? u know what im sayin... eveen anthony hanshaw... sure he had motivation to get back in the fight game, but who the hell is anthony hanshaw... i still give credit for fighting a guy 10 yrs younger and undefeated.... but joe calzaghe... i can see roy pushing himself in training harder than he ever has... and i think joe thinks what everyone else thinks... roy is shot, and hes another notch on my belt... will be interesting to see how this plays out...Comment
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Jones is **** now.
D level fighterComment
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It wil be interesting. I have to admit that I think some of the things you say come straight from the Roy Jones excuse book, particularly the part about 'how big were those fights really'. I'm sure I remember Jones saying exactly that after one of them. For Tarver 1 I can see where he and you were coming from, he probably underestimated Tarver and I can even accept that Roy was too big for a LHW and it made him slow, I mean you only have to look at the shape of his body! For the rest of those losses though, I can't agree. Roy Jones was supposed to ree****yaluss(!) unbeatable, and after basically losing to Tarver the first time he should have been well up for the second one. Then, after getting KOd, how could he not show up for Johnson, and then not show up for the final Tarver fight!? This was ROY JONES man, he didn't lose ROUNDS, let alone fights. I think Tarver 2 - 3 and Johnson, were MASSIVE fights for him. Even if he could show up and didn't he only has himself to blame and can't make excuses now. My opinion though is that he didn't show up because he COULDN'T, and I don't think anything will change against an elite like Calzaghe.
Looking forward too it and hope I'm not proved wrong. Incidentally, I think we should bet. What do you think?Comment
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Well when i say not get up, im not using that reason as to why he lost... i think truly after losing the weight, at his age, ripping 20 pounds of muscle off your body is gonna make u weak SEVERELY... **** im on this diet right now... i lost 15 pounds in 3 weeks and i lost 20 pounds off my bench... i think that weight just ****ed him... i think its obvious... look how he performed against ruiz.. flawlessly... he even took consecutive right hands across the face in the 3rd round, and came right back... and in the midle rounds he took a few shots to the face, then he just beat on his chest as if a HW cant hurt him... 8 months later he looked like a cancer patient... which i give him credit for winning the first fight, which, in fact he did win the first fight...
ANYWAYS... as much as i think roy can pull it off... im not betting on the fight, its still a toss up to me... i root with my heart, and bet with my mind, which is why i got 1.8 milli in the bankroll... also cuz im a sick sig maker too
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