Clarification: Cotto The Boxer

[Addison]

You seem to forget that Margarito has been outboxed before and with guys with less skill than Cotto. Williams outboxed him to a clear decision. Clottey was outboxing Margarito then he broke his hand and he lasted the full twelve rounds with a broken hand. Outboxing Margarito is not this amazing feat that you make it out to be, you don't need the skills of Willie Pep to outbox Margarito you need to be a solid boxer/puncher that can hit him hard enough to keep him off you. And Cotto has more than enough boxing skill and power to outbox Margarito it's been done before and it's going to be done again.

Have you ever seen any of the Pep/Saddler fights? Fights are over a distance. You think there weren't moments when Pep had full control? You think their weren't rounds where he had the upper hand? That doesn't change the fact that Pep lost or got dominated over the distance of the fight(s).

Nowadays matches are 12 rounds. 12 ROUNDS. We can talk all day about how Judah was owning Mayweather for the first 4 rounds, but the fact of the matter is 12 rounds is what it takes to win a fight. 12 ROUNDS.

Margarito dominated both Clottey and Williams in the late rounds. In the case of Williams he started too late - and have you seen that fight?? Williams was as quick and as crisp as he ever was in any fight of his career. He was excellent that night. Watch it again.

[Addison]

You seem to forget that Margarito has been outboxed before and with guys with less skill than Cotto. Williams outboxed him to a clear decision. Clottey was outboxing Margarito then he broke his hand and he lasted the full twelve rounds with a broken hand. Outboxing Margarito is not this amazing feat that you make it out to be, you don't need the skills of Willie Pep to outbox Margarito you need to be a solid boxer/puncher that can hit him hard enough to keep him off you. And Cotto has more than enough boxing skill and power to outbox Margarito it's been done before and it's going to be done again.

Oh, and BTW Clottey has waaaay more skills than Cotto. Use your eyes.

[audibleone]

Oh, and BTW Clottey has waaaay more skills than Cotto. Use your eyes.

so then you believe Clottey could easily hand Cotto a loss then.

[Addison]

so then you believe Clottey could easily hand Cotto a loss then.

I was hoping that post would get more action.

This isn't an easy sport. Cotto has some excellent departments. He would have a hard time with Clottey's vicious counterpunches - if you recall the fight with Margarito it was the lunging that got Tony into trouble. Cotto is a huge lunger. Clottey would surely land his hookercut. It could get ugly.

Gotta love the Quartey guard in favor of Cotto's body work though if Miguel could avoid getting tagged.. Could be a nice dustup.

Clottey would likely catch Cotto with killer headshots. I would pick Clottey.

[Antwuan Maxx]

This is a question that has to be asked. The suggestion here coming from certain people is that Cotto's Boxing ability is so tremendous, so incredible, he'll be able to outBox an opponent like Antonio Margarito entirely. Does anyone have any idea what that would involve? What that would take?

For anyone who knows the slightest bit about actual combat, to say that is a somewhat tall order would be an understatement of epic proportions. Not only does Margarito have very good Boxing abilities himself, he's a hydra, an octopus of long arms coming from every angle known to man in constant non-stop succession. Margarito is an extremely accurate improvisational puncher who can throw from any distance or quarters. His punches follow you around the ring like a fly on ****.

The greatest pure Boxer to ever live, Willie Pep, had a virtually unsolvable puzzle as his nemesis with the hard throwing, volume punching, long limbed Sandy Saddler. Sound familiar? These guys are not easy.

Based on what exactly? When has Margarito ever demonstrated "good Boxing ability?" If anyone's Boxing ability should be at question here, it's Margarito's, who's as one dimensional as they come. You mention his "extreme accuracy" but how do you explain him not only holding the Compubox record for most punches thrown in a fight, but also the record for most punches missed (335/1,675 - 20%)?

Oh, and BTW Clottey has waaaay more skills than Cotto. Use your eyes.

Now you're reaching.

[Addison]

Based on what exactly? When has Margarito ever demonstrated "good Boxing ability?" If anyone's Boxing ability should be at question here, it's Margarito's, who's as one dimensional as they come. You mention his "extreme accuracy" but how do you explain him not only holding the Compubox record for most punches thrown in a fight, but also the most for punches missed (381/1,675 - 20%)?




Now you're reaching.

You are reaching, dude. Straight up. I leave little posteys like that as bait for suckas who won't touch the hot ****.

You're telling me that Margarito is one dimensional as a Boxer? How so? You think I don't remember you Cotto fanboy? That's **** talking.

When has Margarito ever demonstrated good Boxing ability? Every time he fights. That's when. Have ****ing look.

Tell me about this though, Antwuan..

[BMWM3P]

You won't be convinced until you see Margarito on his ass and even then you'll find another way to not like Cotto. I don't blame you I was the same way with JCC I let my preconceptions for the guy get in the way of better judgement. I always picked against him and every single time he proved me wrong. The time that I thought he was going to win, he got his ass beat by Frankie Randall.

If you can't see what Miguel brings to the table some of can. I've been watching Miguel's career from the start he's not the fastest, he's not the most powerful, he's not the best boxer but he can put all of those attibutes together better than anyone in the sport. He truly is one of the best all around fighters I've ever seen.

[Shalafi]

I guess Margarito was magically awarded with 36 wins, the IBF and previous WBO belt out of pity? or maybe it was just all a coincidence, he clearly hasn't earned any of that by boxing skills alone, to think that it would be a foolish and preposterous thing...

[Antwuan Maxx]

You are reaching, dude. Straight up. I leave little posteys like that as bait for suckas who won't touch the hot ****.

You're telling me that Margarito is one dimensional as a Boxer? How so? You think I don't remember you Cotto fanboy? That's **** talking.

When has Margarito ever demonstrated good Boxing ability? Every time he fights. That's when. Have ****ing look.

Tell me about this though, Antwuan..

Where were these Boxing skills when Clottey was hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink, Williams peppering his ass for 12 rounds, or him trying to stick and move against Sebastian Lujan, losing rounds in the process. Margarito can't Box for ****. But he's a hell of a brawler. I think even his biggest (objective) fans would agree with that.

Sucka? Fanboy? Oh you got me there, Mr. I got no life and make 20,000 ****ing posts on a message board, with the bulk of them dedicated to a man I despise. Get a life, ******. LOL.

[Addison]

Where were these Boxing skills when Clottey was hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink, Williams peppering his ass for 12 rounds, or him trying to stick and move against Sebastian Lujan, losing rounds in the process. Margarito can't Box for ****. But he's a hell of a brawler. I think even his biggest (objective) fans would agree with that.

Sucka? Fanboy? Oh you got me there, Mr. I got no life and make 20,000 ****ing posts on a message board, with the bulk of them dedicated to a man I despise. Get a life, ******. LOL.

Margarito is SLOW, you ****** twit. Think about it, dumbass. That should answer your question.

Cotto is a favorite of mine BTW, he's just overhyped and flawed. I can't lie.