what if: James Toney vs. Joe Calzaghe @ 168 (Prime for prime)

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  • pesticid
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    #141
    He'll win like at least 8 against James, no doubt.

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    • slicksouthpaw16
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      #142
      Eubank -Past his prime
      Kessler- Great win for Calzaghe over a great opponent and champion. His best win to date over a prime fighter.
      Lacy- Great win
      Hopkins- Past his prime

      No losses- Because he hasn't fought the best, especially no one as good as Toney's opposition. There is no comparison in resumes. Toney clearly has the better one.

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        #143
        Originally posted by pesticid
        Most of the prestige fighters at middleweight Toney either lost to or won on points. He also lost a couple against bums.
        good thing this fight is at Super Middleweight then, right?

        lets put it this way. Choose Calzaghe's best performance. then choose James Toney's best performance at 168. take the guy from each fight and match them up.

        after all, this is prime vs prime, not I had trouble making weight Toney vs I ate toxic food Calzaghe

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          #144
          Originally posted by pesticid
          He'll win like at least 8 against James, no doubt.
          He wouldn't win any and I'm being honest, especially if Toney is at his 100% best.Too squared up after he trows, to vulnerable to lead right hands, not enough power and doesn't turn over on his punches properly. All of the ingredients for disaster when you are fighting a peak James Toney and all the things that he is a master at taking advantage of.

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            #145
            Nunn - above average
            Mccullum - very good
            Barkley - average
            Holyfield - old
            Jirov - very good

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              #146
              i think toney would have this by Split

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                #147
                Originally posted by slicksouthpaw16
                Eubank -Past his prime
                Kessler- Great win for Calzaghe over a great opponent and champion. His best win to date over a prime fighter.
                Lacy- Great win
                Hopkins- Past his prime

                No losses- Because he hasn't fought the best, especially no one as good as Toney's opposition. There is no comparison in resumes. Toney clearly has the better one.
                I am not arguing that Toney has the better resumé just like I wasn't arguing that Bhop has the better resumé. I am arguing that Toney won't beat Calzaghe. Toney can have an off night just like that, but let's assume he's at his best. I don't think he'll be able to deal with Cal's quick combos and inside out footwork.

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                  #148
                  I actually see it like the Jones fight and even if Toney showed up in great shape against Jones I still think he losses the majority of rounds.

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                    #149
                    Originally posted by pesticid
                    Nunn - above average
                    Mccullum - very good
                    Barkley - average
                    Holyfield - old
                    Jirov - very good
                    All them people are far superiour to Kessler.

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                      #150
                      Nunn - Great fighter that was a 22 to 1 favorite going into the fight and was unbeaten at 36-0 at time time.
                      Mccullum - very good
                      Barkley - Won titles in 3 different weight divisions and had two wins over Tommy Hearns
                      John Ruiz - WBA heavyweight champion that has impressive wins on his record like Golata, Rachman, Holyfield and Oquendo.
                      Jirov - Undisputed cruiser weight champion that was 31-0 at the time and James was also moving up in weight.

                      This is legendary stuff kid.


                      Originally posted by pesticid
                      I actually see it like the Jones fight and even if Toney showed up in great shape against Jones I still think he losses the majority of rounds.
                      Don't make me laugh, please.
                      Last edited by slicksouthpaw16; 04-28-2008, 08:22 PM.

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