On Antonio Margarito...

[Mr. Ryan]

That's a respectable post but you and other keep bringing up "who has he beat" you can't blame him for that! He has looked for the bigger fights but hasn't been able to and them. You have to give him that descrediting him for that is unfair and really doesnt prove nothing. YOu don't know how he is going to do agianst a top opponent untill he does it. Cotto's resume is better but by no means impressive. he held on for a win against an old mosley and got rocked a few times by judah. He overcame judah to kill him but we all know judah was shot after the baldi fight. How much credit can you really give cotto for those two wins especially the sugar shane fight in which some people thought he lost and was alot closer then it should have been if you want to consider cotto great. Margarito is going to force cotto to fight. IM not buying this bs cotto will outbox him since when has cotto been this great boxer ala an improved jab?? He came up with pressure wearing down the opponents and body shots. It would be a mistake to change doing what made you what you are because you feel you will be outbattled in that area. it's going to be a slugfest. I dont like the idea of putting margarito down and counting him out based on "who has he faught" he searched the big fights wasnt able to land them. he offered shane, and floyd a fight years ago. you cant blame him for not getting a big fight and use that as the reason as to why he is not that good. He's style will give anyone trouble and im expecting fireworks when him and cotto face off.

I never said I blamed him for not beating anyone, I just said don't anoint him until he actually beats someone. Could be his next fight, could be never. Who knows. I don't predict the future, I just talk about what happens.

YOu don't know how he is going to do agianst a top opponent untill he does it.

YAHTZEE!!!!

He could be the next Michael Jordan or he could fall on his face, who knows until you see it? I know he has flaws, everyone does. Before saying that he can neutralize his own flaws with his strengths, how about we see him in with a caliber of fighter who can potentially exploit those strengths.

[BmoreBrawler]

He could be the next Michael Jordan or he could fall on his face, who knows until you see it? I know he has flaws, everyone does. Before saying that he can neutralize his own flaws with his strengths, how about we see him in with a caliber of fighter who can potentially exploit those strengths.

Right, but on the other hand, the fact that so many PROFESSIONAL BOXERS, not armchair ring generals, rate the guy highly enough to duck is a testament to skills he may have.

[GTL]

Josh Clottey showed why I dont think much of Margarito.

my thoughts exactly. and thats why i pick cotto over him.. mayweather too

[Mr. Ryan]

Quintana got smoked by Cotto which would never happen to Tony.

You're a good man so don't take this as an insult, but this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

Do you know this statement to be true, or is this something you believe? Because we won't know the above statement to be true until they fight. Cotto represents a huge step-up for Margarito from guys like Williams, Cintron and the rest.

What I'm saying is, until the man does something, how can you be so sure?

[warp1432]

Well to be fair, Margarito has shown from Cintron he can take a punch. Cotto would have to be SUPER accurate to stop Margarito like he did Quintana.

[Eaner0919]

Haha hate Mexicans? I might as well hate boxing then. If you see me hating on any other fighters who are also Mexicans, then bring this to my attention.

Pacquiao is a badass against other badasses like Marquez, Barrera and Morales. He has proven that he can be a badass among badasses. So far, Margarito has shown that he can be a badass with Cintron and Golden Johnson. There is a huge difference.

You would think that someone like me who has been a credentialed pundit for 2 years now in the sweet science would know more about boxing, wouldn't you? I guess until I start praising Margarito, I never will know much about boxing, would I?

not for nothing Mr ******** but that was wack. I mean damn dude you almost use it like some badge over others here. Damn I can do that to you as well I mean you never know who exactly posts behind these usernames now do you?

It was a weak move dude judging by your writing you seem better than that.

[MELLY-MEL...]

i am in agreement with asian, marg is very good, but needs a key win over a cotto or pbf to live up to the hype.

[Mr. Ryan]

Right, but on the other hand, the fact that so many PROFESSIONAL BOXERS, not armchair ring generals, rate the guy highly enough to duck is a testament to skills he may have.

How do you know he has been ducked? Can you be so certain as to have seen the actual contract offers, if any had been made, or can you verify if these things are all verbal offers.

There are so many behind-the-scenes things that doesn't come to light that you can't state beyond a reasonable doubt that anyone really ducked Margarito. If he had sincerely wanted these big fights, what he should have done was dump his WBO belt, which was bringing him challengers like Hercules Kyvelos and Andrew Lewis and get ranked by a better organization.

****, if Paul Williams wasn't scared of him then there must be others out there who feel good about their chances. Margarito hasn't helped himself much by losing at key points in his career.

[BmoreBrawler]

How do you know he has been ducked? Can you be so certain as to have seen the actual contract offers, if any had been made, or can you verify if these things are all verbal offers.

There are so many behind-the-scenes things that doesn't come to light that you can't state beyond a reasonable doubt that anyone really ducked Margarito. If he had sincerely wanted these big fights, what he should have done was dump his WBO belt, which was bringing him challengers like Hercules Kyvelos and Andrew Lewis and get ranked by a better organization.

In boxing fan-dom, the burden of proof doesnt have to be "beyond a reasonable doubt". More like "reasonable articulate su****ion".

It has been reasonably articulated by better men than I in the boxing media and on this very forum numerous times, so I wont repeat it.

[Eaner0919]

You have to put Cotto up there, who has wins over Judah, Quintana and Mosley above Margarito. Then Quintana beat the man who beat Margarito, Paul Williams. Mayweather is the recognized Ring Champion so that would push Margarito out of the top 3 I'd guess. Correct me if there is a flaw in that logic.

tell me you dont solely believe in the "he beat the man who beat the man" theory? If so does that make Robbie Peden the man?