On Antonio Margarito...

[Mr. Ryan]

Bottom line is you claim Floyd Mayweather to be elite at 147 simply cause he has a win over Baldomir? That elite bull**** that you and Dominicano use should be flushed down the toilet cause it's such a flip-flopping argument.

I say Mayweather is an elite fighter for the HOF career he has put together over the last decade.

You won't find a toilet big enough to flush us both down, I'll put 25K e-points on that one.

[pesticid]

The top guys i.e. Cotto, Mayweather, those kind of guys. Would you group Clottey into that group? Probably not.

Then how can Clottey be elite when he isn't among the top guys? He hasn't even won an alphabet strap yet.

Cintron had an alphabetical strap at 147, he got destroyed. You're hater, are u not?

Cintron was elite cause he had a strap, but now since Tony kayod him, neither him nor Tony is elite? Wow, that logic blows my mind away.

[pesticid]

I'm sorry man, but there is no way you are going to pass Joshua Clottey off as an "elite" fighter. There just isn't. Yes, I am a journalist, and no, Clottey is still not elite.

"Lucked out?" There is no lucking out over 12 rounds. You work hard and your effort pays off. Baldomir beat Judah because he wanted to win more, not because he was lucky.

As for elite guys, you could say that Hatton, who occupied a spot on Ring Mag's P4P list was elite. You could say Corrales was in a position of very high esteem at the time Mayweather beat him.

Elite fighters are the ones who separate themselves as being superior fighters. You can sometimes find them in P4P lists and that kind of thing.

You don't know the half if. We've seen many elite fighters like Tito and Oscar moving up in weight and losing badly, are they still elite even if they fight a weight not suited for them. Like I said before that elite concept is bs and that's what you're counting on with your entire argument about why Tony isn't the goods.

[Mr. Ryan]

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Cintron had an alphabetical strap at 147, he got destroyed. You're hater, are u not?

Cintron was elite cause he had a strap, but now since Tony kayod him, neither him nor Tony is elite? Wow, that logic blows my mind away.

I have a question for you. Is Margarito one of your favorite fighters? If he is, then that would suggest that you have more of a reason to be biased than do I. Would it not?

Cintron had an alphabet strap, yes he did. He beat Mark Suarez who I assure you was not an elite fighter either.

Cintron was elite also? Aye aye aye.

[pesticid]

I have a question for you. Is Margarito one of your favorite fighters? If he is, then that would suggest that you have more of a reason to be biased than do I. Would it not?

Cintron had an alphabet strap, yes he did. He beat Mark Suarez who I assure you was not an elite fighter either.

Cintron was elite also? Aye aye aye.

I didn;t say Cintron was elite but you said that in order to be elite you need to have at least a strap, so by your argument of what elite is Cintron is elite. Now, Isee you're trying to weasel yourself out. I do understand that you have a super-sized ego on you, but this bs about elite is really just that bs.

PS: Margarito in not even in the top 5 of my favourite fighters. Cotto is my favourite.

[Mr. Ryan]

You don't know the half if. We've seen many elite fighters like Tito and Oscar moving up in weight and losing badly, are they still elite even if they fight a weight not suited for them. Like I said before that elite concept is bs and that's what you're counting on with your entire argument about why Tony isn't the goods.

I never said Tony Margarito was not the goods. I said how could people make the case for him being a top fighter if he himself had not beaten a top fighter.

I think what you're saying with Oscar and Tito is that Mayweather could go up too far and lose. Yes, very possible. But he hasn't. That is the same idea you're trying to make, that Margarito could beat Mayweather, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. That said, could not Mayweather also beat Margarito or is that impossible?

[-Antonio-]

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Cintron had an alphabetical strap at 147, he got destroyed. You're hater, are u not?

Cintron was elite cause he had a strap, but now since Tony kayod him, neither him nor Tony is elite? Wow, that logic blows my mind away.

Cintron was very far from elite. He hasnt even beaten anybody B class. He's just a big puncher who can gain a title in the right situation. An above average fighter.

[Mr. Ryan]

I didn;t say Cintron was elite but you said that in order to be elite you need to have at least a strap, so by your argument of what elite is Cintron is elite. Now, Isee you're trying to weasel yourself out. I do understand that you have a super-sized ego on you, but this bs about elite is really just that bs.

PS: Margarito in not even in the top 5 of my favourite fighters. Cotto is my favourite.

I was saying that to show that he hadn't even been a title holder, so how could he be elite. I never said that having a belt makes you elite. You can quote me on that.

The rest of the post, not sure what you're trying to say, really.

[-Antonio-]

I didn;t say Cintron was elite but you said that in order to be elite you need to have at least a strap, so by your argument of what elite is Cintron is elite. Now, Isee you're trying to weasel yourself out. I do understand that you have a super-sized ego on you, but this bs about elite is really just that bs.

PS: Margarito in not even in the top 5 of my favourite fighters. Cotto is my favourite.

OK nvm then...

[pesticid]

I never said Tony Margarito was not the goods. I said how could people make the case for him being a top fighter if he himself had not beaten a top fighter.

I think what you're saying with Oscar and Tito is that Mayweather could go up too far and lose. Yes, very possible. But he hasn't. That is the same idea you're trying to make, that Margarito could beat Mayweather, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. That said, could not Mayweather also beat Margarito or is that impossible?

Nobody even said nothing about margarito beating Mayweather. Aall I am saying is that if Margarito hasn;t fought an elite at 147 neither has Baldomir.