UFC is taking over

[Luciano]

Ufc is trash...If you like a bunch of wrestling and ball and ass grabbing then i guess its for you. Other then Kimbo Slice i wouldnt be caught dead paying for it..

We get it, you know nothing about the sport yet recklessly bash it and embarass yourself as a man. Good job. We're all impressed.

moses, I was never a huge fan of Andre Miller, but he's really improved this year as far as being a teammate goes. What is the name of that one rook, Thaddeus Young or something like that?? He's a beast, I don't mind the other dude, 23, **** I forget his name, he's sick too. Dalembert is a monster for a smaller guy, imagine he had 20 lbs on him.

[Luciano]

Nobody wanted UFC on HBO besides Chris Albrecht he got canned for beating up his girlfriend then the deal died.

You can read all about it here

http://secondsout.com/Columns/index.cfm?ccs=208&cs=21089

that was before the deal was canned though.

The reason I say there isn't competition is most UFC fans weren't Boxing fans then once they saw MMA decided to change sports. Most UFC fans were never Boxing fans and don't even watch other MMA programs, Boxing fans will watch ESPN,Showtime,HBO,Telefutura,PPV whatever channel it's on and any promoter. You will never hear "I only watch Golden Boy promotions" yet the MMA fans are Loyal to the Promoters not the fighters, look at Randy Couture. He is one of the biggest names in MMA, now many of UFC fan turned their back on him because he had a dispute with his promoters the UFC. That's like if people stop caring for Kelly Pavlik because he wanted more money from Bob Arum.

It's the WWE mentality of being loyal to the company not the stars or the sport. If Don King Promotions were to die Boxing would go on, If the UFC were to die MMA in the states would die with it.

What the hell are you talking about?? It's a matter of time before mma goes the way of boxing with independent promotions. There already is many guys jumping ship due to the ******ity of the UFC brass. Give mma 5 years, it will be exactly like boxing, promoters putting on different cards with each other. Other than the UFC, EVERY mma promotion does that, and with all these big name guys leaving, it's just a matter of time before people tune in to see their guy. We'll see what happens, remember I said that.

RL GMA knows what the **** he's talking about.

[aristotlemoses]

yea young thaddues as i like to call him has really matured over one season hes only 19 and has had no jitters in that playoff game...23 is lou williams hes comin along nicely for when adre miller is gone. i think dalembert would be one of the best in the league if he did have more wieght. and i wish reggie evans could play offense.

[Don Corleone]

Like Roy Jones Jr??? He's a huge mma fan. That's like saying people only watch boxing because they hope somebody dies from a head injury. It's a completely factless opinion which borderlines idiocrisy.

Sorry Mosley, I didn't see that post, I'm glad you're schooling these fools though. I love boxing, watched it before mma, but to downgrade one over the other is ridiculous, and to not see that mma is on its way up when boxing as a whole is fading (other then the odd mega fight) is just plain ****** and obviously biased.

BTW, most of the time I'd prefer a superfight in boxing over a huge mma card, but lately they have been lackluster. UFC 83 was one of the worst UFC's in the last 2 years on a whole as far as talent goes, yet was 100x more exciting than the Hopkins vs Calzaghe fight. And that's coming from a guy who has every Hopkins fight on DVD and ranks him in the top 3 favorite boxers ever.

I would also prefer a great boxing match over a MMA match. The thing people don't understand is they are mis-informed and caught up into just boxing that they automatically rule out any other form of combat that comes even close to boxing. I think if the UFC wasn't as big, no one would be that worried but it is growing and people are being too defensive about boxing and it is one of the greatest technical sports ever but facts are facts and when there is a close competition then there is nothing to do but accept it. Boxing overall has great PPV buys and great matches when it comes to a huge fight but lately aren't consistent. Here in Canada, it's hard to find people that will discuss boxing and know much about it because there aren't as much Canadian boxers which doesn't appeal much to fans other then big main events. Again I have respect for both mostly boxing but MMA is on the rise

[Luciano]

I would also prefer a great boxing match over a MMA match. The thing people don't understand is they are mis-informed and caught up into just boxing that they automatically rule out any other form of combat that comes even close to boxing. I think if the UFC wasn't as big, no one would be that worried but it is growing and people are being too defensive about boxing and it is one of the greatest technical sports ever but facts are facts and when there is a close competition then there is nothing to do but accept it. Boxing overall has great PPV buys and great matches when it comes to a huge fight but lately aren't consistent. Here in Canada, it's hard to find people that will discuss boxing and know much about it because there aren't as much Canadian boxers which doesn't appeal much to fans other then big main events. Again I have respect for both mostly boxing but MMA is on the rise

Couldn't of said it better...I'm out after that. Read a few times ignorant fools.

[mrpain81]

Like Roy Jones Jr??? He's a huge mma fan. That's like saying people only watch boxing because they hope somebody dies from a head injury. It's a completely factless opinion which borderlines idiocrisy.

Sorry Mosley, I didn't see that post, I'm glad you're schooling these fools though. I love boxing, watched it before mma, but to downgrade one over the other is ridiculous, and to not see that mma is on its way up when boxing as a whole is fading (other then the odd mega fight) is just plain ****** and obviously biased.

BTW, most of the time I'd prefer a superfight in boxing over a huge mma card, but lately they have been lackluster. UFC 83 was one of the worst UFC's in the last 2 years on a whole as far as talent goes, yet was 100x more exciting than the Hopkins vs Calzaghe fight. And that's coming from a guy who has every Hopkins fight on DVD and ranks him in the top 3 favorite boxers ever.

The only ignorant fool I see in here is you.

Both the UFC 83 and the Boxing were **** this weekend, but Boxing has been awsome!!! you say lately they have been lackluster???

Marquez/Vasquez 3 Pacman/Marquez 2 Katsidis/Casamayor were lackluster???

You haven't stated facts but your opinions because you love MMA, the PPV numbers have been great the last two years for the UFC and they do have a better average but other then the Fight Nights on Spike TV the only way to watch UFC is on PPV. They have more then boxing where if you a boxing fan you can watch HBO or Showtime for big profile fights.

[mrpain81]

That's a bit far fetched.

Keep in mind that MMA is huge all over the world and UFC is basically the American spotlight of the sport. Also, the dude who most MMA fans call the #1 P4P fighter has never fought in the UFC (Fedor Emilienenko).

Boxings main issue is and has always been about money. There are so many hands in the pot when a big fight is being set. You can have a UFC card with at least 4 major stars on it with no problem as opposed to boxing where the majority of the under cards consist either of journeymen, 4 round bantamweights fights (you get the picture).

I'll always choose boxing over MMA just because I've followed it so long. But give credit where credit is due. UFC is putting on fights their fans want to see. What is the main complaint on this board...about a "certain" fight not being made because of (fill the blank __________________________)

Where is MMA huge all over the world? Sources please

When was the last PPV where it had 4 major stars?

UFC 79

Wandy vs Liddell and GSP vs Hughes???

Two guys comming off two straight losses and two guys 1-1 in their two fights.

People used to ***** Boxing stars never fought thats why MMA was so great, well now with that ****** reality TV show they put the Champ on the shelf for atleast half a year. Who are the Champions fighting regularly in the UFC??? Only guy who fights 2-3 times a year is Anderson Silva.

[Don Corleone]

The only ignorant fool I see in here is you.

Both the UFC 83 and the Boxing were **** this weekend, but Boxing has been awsome!!! you say lately they have been lackluster???

Marquez/Vasquez 3 Pacman/Marquez 2 Katsidis/Casamayor were lackluster???

You haven't stated facts but your opinions because you love MMA, the PPV numbers have been great the last two years for the UFC and they do have a better average but other then the Fight Nights on Spike TV the only way to watch UFC is on PPV. They have more then boxing where if you a boxing fan you can watch HBO or Showtime for big profile fights.

Compared to a larger scale, the guy your quoting has a point because back then there were more big match-ups. Nowadays they tend to focus more on making money then *****g on a good show and because of their fanbase they don't need to make good fights because their fans are always tuned in. IMO it is a strong fanbase but fights like Katsidis and Caseymayor are good but you don't expect fighters like those to put on good fights. You expect the higher ranking fighters to put on a big show which doesn't happen that often. MMA on the other hand has some shows that are free occasionally. Their main events are good and their main fighters most of the time put on a good show. Another point is UFC is privatly owned incase some don't know that so they can't afford to have free events all the time. Boxing has way more money then the UFC so they can afford to put it on HBO or Showtime for free

[Don Corleone]

Where is MMA huge all over the world? Sources please

When was the last PPV where it had 4 major stars?

UFC 79

Wandy vs Liddell and GSP vs Hughes???

Two guys comming off two straight losses and two guys 1-1 in their two fights.

People used to ***** Boxing stars never fought thats why MMA was so great, well now with that ****** reality TV show they put the Champ on the shelf for atleast half a year. Who are the Champions fighting regularly in the UFC??? Only guy who fights 2-3 times a year is Anderson Silva.

Again now your not understanding your own posts. The reason they don't put their title on the line is
1) champs like Couture leave because agreements can't be reach
2) former champs like Serra get injured because of the amount of contact the sport involves
3) They only have one belt per division so how are they always going to put their belt on the line when there is only one belt per division

These are some facts that you should think of before posting ridicolous comments

[mrpain81]

Compared to a larger scale, the guy your quoting has a point because back then there were more big match-ups. Nowadays they tend to focus more on making money then *****g on a good show and because of their fanbase they don't need to make good fights because their fans are always tuned in. IMO it is a strong fanbase but fights like Katsidis and Caseymayor are good but you don't expect fighters like those to put on good fights. You expect the higher ranking fighters to put on a big show which doesn't happen that often. MMA on the other hand has some shows that are free occasionally. Their main events are good and their main fighters most of the time put on a good show. Another point is UFC is privatly owned incase some don't know that so they can't afford to have free events all the time. Boxing has way more money then the UFC so they can afford to put it on HBO or Showtime for free

Back then when?

What bigger match ups do you want?

Hopkins vs Calzaghe
Pac vs Marquez 2
Margarito vs Cotto

I agree boxing was not putting on the match-ups we wanted a few years ago, but lately they have been doing all the right moves.

Boxing co-promotes the UFC doesn't so that means the Superfights I would like to see aren't happening.

Randy vs Fedor
Cung Lee vs Anderson Silva
Gomi vs Penn 2 or Sherk

Boxing is only about making money?

Whats the poins of Brock Lesnar? Making money right?

About the free shows Hatton will be fighting on Versus in a month and Delahoya will be on HBO. Not bad considering that you have to pay to watch Evans vs Bispin if your a MMA fan.