Oscar was the easiest defense either Joe or 'Nard ever took

[BrooklynBomber]

I hate when a fighter is deemed 'blown up' just because they originally began at a lower class. Let me educate you. Tito was always a huge welterweight. To call welterweight his 'natural' weight might be doing him a disservice. Did he look small against Vargas? No. Surely he would though seeing as how Vargas was a 'natural' light-middleweight? Did he look small against Joppy? Nah.
It's like saying Roy Jones was a natural middleweight. Was he? Really? If that was the case he'd look small against the LHW's he fought for much of his career. The truth is fighters often pick a weight to fight at based on what weight they can make, based on how big they're gonna be over opponents. Fighters GROW into weights. Growth is natural. That's why so many guys move up. I mean if you take a recent example - Mayweather-Hatton - Mayweather actually looked bigger and stronger than Hatton, despite being, in your logic, a 'natural' super-featherweight. Natural super-feathers shouldn't be able to physically match natural light-welters, sorry.

Where did tito spent majority of his career? Welterweight?
Was he a big guy? Well, DLH sure looked bigger then him in the ring and even was able to impose his size on him. ANd that's tito, mr I got a body of a 12year old.

As for Mayweather, he was a huge superfeatherweight, and Hatton was always a small and stocky guy. Compare Floyd to guys like leonard or dlh, not hatton.

And what you describing there is not my logic.

My logic is as simple as that, you are deemed to be natural to the weight where you spent most of your career and to which you have physically matured. And if you gonna tell me that Tito was a natural middleweight(and how many fights did he have there again?) then there is really nothing to argue about. Oh and btw, remeber his outing against winky? He was the smaller man in the ring as well.

So, don't try to "educate" me about anything, especially with these fringe observations.

But as his

[brooklyn kid]

Who in the hell was there at middleweight at the time? All of Bernards critics often cite the fact that the middleweight division was very poor. Tito beat the WBA beltholder Joppy by brutal KO in round five, Bernard unified with Holmes the WBC champion. The fact is Trinidad beat everyone before him. He had beaten the best welterweights in the world (Oscar, Whitaker, Campas, Carr, Pineda), the best light-middles (Vargas, Reid) and he fought for the middleweight title in his first fight. To try and discredit Tito is plain ******.

co sign i think the same way. tito was a FAVORITE on that night
and regardless of his lack technique he was UNDEFEATED and on
a roll with a string of knock outs when he stepped up in weight
he didnt all of a sudden lose his power as he stepped up he was a
dangerous puncher

P.S. tito has been a natrual middle to light heavy weight for a while
now, I mean tito has been making the welterweight limit since he was
18, oscar started at 130 and he has a problem with making welter
what makes you think tito doesnt...... and he does have a problem
with making weight ....... MIDDLEWEIGHT tito cant make middleweight
any more a weight he was to small for

[Burner]

and Tito isn't far behind.


Beating "names" doesn't matter at all when they are from lower weight classes.


Tito was repeated knocked down by welterweights, outboxed by a few as well.

Oscar was great but the 2003 middleweight Oscar was not

The point of this thread is???????????

[Neckodeemus]

and Tito isn't far behind.


Beating "names" doesn't matter at all when they are from lower weight classes.


Tito was repeated knocked down by welterweights, outboxed by a few as well.

Oscar was great but the 2003 middleweight Oscar was not

Ae you saying McIntyre and Tucker Podwell are better names on the resume than Oscar? Or that they were harder defences? No offence but that is quite laughable. Perhaps Oscar Vs McIntyre on HBO PPV would satisfy your question?!

I would venture to say that Manfredo was also easier than Oscar as a defence. His chin is bigger than a yacht and he was only there to mug for the cameras and get his arse spanked senseless.

[dansweeney]

and Tito isn't far behind.


Beating "names" doesn't matter at all when they are from lower weight classes.


Tito was repeated knocked down by welterweights, outboxed by a few as well.

Oscar was great but the 2003 middleweight Oscar was not

ok bernard is a career long middleweight who moved up at age 41 after over 40 fights at middleweight. joe is a career long SUPER middleweight that is 8 pounds heavier. so using YOUR logic beating "names" doesnt matter at all when they are from a lower weight classes. so joe beating bernard will not matter? your an idiot. late

[Neckodeemus]

Tito fought better versus Jones than Lacy wil ever fight again. At the higher weight also.

I'm not sure what the purpose of the thread is because the original statement is patently wrong.

McIntyre, Podwell and Manfredo are poor, they sound like a 1970's progrock trio and fought with as much ability and urgency. Manfredo spent more time looking at the camera and canvas than he did fighting.

[Left Hook Tua]

Wlad would beat prime Tyson.

maybe.

wlad does have the size advantage and theoretically it should go as how lewis-tyson went but......lamon who is not that much bigger than mike was able to beat wlad and peter who is only 2 inches taller and not as fast or skilled as mike was able to hurt wlad a few times (yes it was to the back of the head but it still staggered wlad)

everybody talks about how weak mike is mentally but tyson doesn't give up (except for when he bit holyfield) you have to beat mike down and i don't know if wlad has the stamina and chin to do that. he has the size and skills but you never know which wlad will show up. if you thought he didn't engage much with sultan how much more wary would he be of tyson?

[Left Hook Tua]

What did Tito do at Middleweight seriously?
A very lack lustre division which was why he went there.

as a tito fan i guarantee you he did not go there because it was a lack luster division.

at the time he was on a belt collecting spree. after taking oscar's belt (with help from generous judges) he took reid's and vargas' belt at 154 and tried to unify the middleweight division. that's why holmes and hopkins fought to face the winner of joppy-trinidad. the plan was to unify 160 , jump to 168 get some belts there and all to the end result of meeting roy at 175. that was the plan , audacious as it was.

tito during his 154-160 campaign was spectacular and any win over him should be taken with a grain of salt considering he was a natural welterweight but shouldn't be discredited either. he was the favorite against hopkins was he not? if tito had skipped bernard and met joe at 168 i'm sure joe would have boxed his ears off as well. you wouldn't be discrediting that win if joe got that fight would you?

[Burner]

and Tito isn't far behind.


Beating "names" doesn't matter at all when they are from lower weight classes.


Tito was repeated knocked down by welterweights, outboxed by a few as well.

Oscar was great but the 2003 middleweight Oscar was not

Look Familiar:::

[TheGreatA]

Joe did defend his titles against

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...3395&cat=boxer
Tocker Pudwill a former welterweight (no notable wins). Lost his next fight to a 40 year old Vinny Pazienza.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...7130&cat=boxer
Branko Sobot a former light middleweight with a 14-1 record (no notable wins). Lost 8 of his next 12 fights.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...1467&cat=boxer
Mger Mkrtchian.