Roy Jones's competition at 175

[Fox McCloud]

Rumor has it DM was at the Roy vs Hill fight to setup a fight with him and then once he saw Roy's destruction of hill, DM wanted no part of it.

Is it DM's fault too?

I have heard that neither of them really made a serious effort to get that fight signed.

[Fox McCloud]

Not knocking Hopkins or you post but he had one fight at 160lbs prior to Hopkins so you cannot logically come to that conclusion.

His one fight at middleweight was a thorough destruction of one of the best names on Hopkins's resume, William Joppy, who was a very good middleweight himself.

That answered every question about Trinidad at 160 prior to the Hopkins bout.

[ßringer]

Not knocking Hopkins or you post but he had one fight at 160lbs prior to Hopkins so you cannot logically come to that conclusion.

And in that one fight he looked pretty damn impressive against a veteran natural Middleweight Joppy who was 32-1-1 at the time they fought.

Anyway, this isn't a Hopkins thread and I want this to stay on topic. Sorry for dragging it off course a bit Dwiens.

[Fox McCloud]

And in that one fight he looked pretty damn impressive against a veteran natural Middleweight Joppy who was 32-1-1 at the time they fought.

Anyway, this isn't a Hopkins thread and I want this to stay on topic. Sorry for dragging it off course a bit Dwiens.

I don't really care to be honest. The original topic really isn't that discussion-oriented.

Check your PM by the way.

[thegreatone1]

His one fight at middleweight was a thorough destruction of one of the best names on Hopkins's resume, William Joppy, who was a very good middleweight himself.

That answered every question about Trinidad at 160 prior to the Hopkins bout.

Not really not from one fight remember he was 2-2 in big fights at 160lbs.

[ßringer]

Not really not from one fight remember he was 2-2 in big fights at 160lbs.

Just because he was 2-2 in big Middleweight fights doesn't mean he wasn't a damn good Middleweight. Plenty of great fighters dwindle in the shadows of obscurity because they failed to make it in every big fight they had. Hell look at Glen Johnson for a recent example of this.

[thegreatone1]

And in that one fight he looked pretty damn impressive against a veteran natural Middleweight Joppy who was 32-1-1 at the time they fought.

Anyway, this isn't a Hopkins thread and I want this to stay on topic. Sorry for dragging it off course a bit Dwiens.

Its not off topic we are disscusing Jones and his resume at 175lbs and i think we all agree it is a tad weak but only because the division was not deep. At the same time Hopkins at 160 and Calzaghe at 168 had the same problems so a disscusion about ones resume at the weight will lead to the other great champions at the time.

Another question would be why didnt one or the other move up or come down? my guess they were making great money and didnt really want to take the risk.

[Fox McCloud]

Not really not from one fight remember he was 2-2 in big fights at 160lbs.

Please remember who he lost to. Wright and Hopkins. Who beats those guys, seriously?

But someone who doesn't belong at middleweight as at least a contender would not have beaten William Joppy as thoroughly as he did.

The Mayorga fight was a ****ing joke though. The dude was literally a welterweight at the time of that fight. Why would someone jump up two weight classes to fight a power puncher? No one knows but Mayorga I suppose.

[thegreatone1]

Just because he was 2-2 in big Middleweight fights doesn't mean he wasn't a damn good Middleweight. Plenty of great fighters dwindle in the shadows of obscurity because they failed to make it in every big fight they had. Hell look at Glen Johnson for a recent example of this.

I will admit he looked good smashing Joppy but as you mentioned Johnson i think that was a better win at 160 than Tito.

And ok on reflection Tito was a solid win.

[ßringer]

Its not off topic we are disscusing Jones and his resume at 175lbs and i think we all agree it is a tad weak but only because the division was not deep. At the same time Hopkins at 160 and Calzaghe at 168 had the same problems so a disscusion about ones resume at the weight will lead to the other great champions at the time.

Another question would be why didnt one or the other move up or come down? my guess they were making great money and didnt really want to take the risk.

I think you just answered your own question. Joe had the advantage of already being a star in his weightclass in his Country, he could easily draw 50,000 fans there, get paid a tremendous amount, and continue defending against other SMW's.

For Hopkins, he was an after thought. Nobody really paid much attention to him until Trinidad moved up, then the discussion became how badly he was going to get beaten, and when he dismantled Tito, the spotlight finally got cast on him. No need to move up or down then, he was an overnight superstar who everybody wanted a piece of.

Plus he was always interested in chasing the title defense record, ever since the mid 90's, it's always been his goal.