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You Cotto Guys Are F$%@# Hypocrites
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Originally posted by rogelio1289 View PostI'm tired of all this bull**** about cotto being this great, super fast boxer saying margarito's pressure wont bother cotto because he is faster and will outbox him. yeah whatever! ok but if thats your mentality about the boxer being able to offset the pressure then there is no way in hell cotto has any chance against floyd mayweatherbecause cotto is to mayweather what you guys say margarito is to cotto so go **** off biaaaaaaaaatch!!!!!!!!
and i dont want to hear no ****** **** from you hypocrites saying it will be different. If that's the case with marg not being able to win because cotto will box him then mayweather will box the head off of cotto. case closed.
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Originally posted by rogelio1289 View PostI'm tired of all this bull**** about cotto being this great, super fast boxer saying margarito's pressure wont bother cotto because he is faster and will outbox him. yeah whatever! ok but if thats your mentality about the boxer being able to offset the pressure then there is no way in hell cotto has any chance against floyd mayweatherbecause cotto is to mayweather what you guys say margarito is to cotto so go **** off biaaaaaaaaatch!!!!!!!!
and i dont want to hear no ****** **** from you hypocrites saying it will be different. If that's the case with marg not being able to win because cotto will box him then mayweather will box the head off of cotto. case closed.
One of the best posts in a while!
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I kind of see the point of your thread, I was discussing with a Cotto fan yesterday and he mention the samething exactly..I said i favoured Margarito by a slim margin but he suggest Cotto would outbox the slower Margarito..I then said Margarito would draw Cotto into a war because Cotto isnt smart enough to just box/Potshot like Mayweather would do.
So i do see the point of your thread.
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Originally posted by raycorey View PostI kind of see the point of your thread, I was discussing with a Cotto fan yesterday and he mention the samething exactly..I said i favoured Margarito by a slim margin but he suggest Cotto would outbox the slower Margarito..I then said Margarito would draw Cotto into a war because Cotto isnt smart enough to just box/Potshot like Mayweather would do.
So i do see the point of your thread.
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Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496 View PostHave you people forgotten the old adage? Styles make fights.......
Cotto is a good boxer, but to think he's on the same level as Floyd is stretching it to say the least. In all my years of watching boxing, Floyd is about as fast a fighter as I have ever seen. His relfexes are incredible and his ability to move in close quarters is some of the best I have ever seen in a fighter....ever.
I'm not a fan of Floyd as a person but to deny his ability or to put Cotto on the same level with him in boxing skills is rediculous. Cotto can't box like a 35 year old DLH and Floyd outboxed DLH for 12 rounds.
Margarito can't box with Cotto, we know this but Margarito has chin and size over Cotto and we don't know how Cotto will react to a fighter as strong and as agressive as Marg.
Marg will get hit, we know this but so will Cotto. The question is, can Cotto handle Margarito on top of him for 12 rounds..... we will see.
What Cotto CAN do well is enough to potentially beat Floyd. Cotto matches up about as well or better than anyone Floyd has ever faced because he possesses so many qualities, in theory, which would trouble Floyd.
The best part about a matchup between these two is that they represent, at least in my opinion, the very best of every opponent the other guy has faced in one package. Cotto takes Castillo's infighting/body attack and Gatti's heart and combines that with Oscar's ramrod jab/selectiveness and Hatton's aggressiveness. Not to the extreme obviously, but he works all of those things into one deadly package.
Floyd on the other hand takes everything that Cotto's opponents did well against him and multiplies that by 100. He is nearly a complete package. He has the hand speed of Judah, elusiveness and foot speed of Malignaggi, combination punching of Mosley, and counter punching ability of Quintana. He just does those things better than most of those guys. Again, Floyd combines these things and adds his own technique and defense to make an incredible fighter.
The best part about these two is that they are both intelligent and they both make adjustments throughout their fights. How many of Floyd's best opponents made a noticeable adjustment in their fight to put them in a position to REALLY win the fight? Not many I can think of. Corrales was just a lost cause out there, Castillo just went with the same game plan hoping it'd send Floyd to the glue factory, and Oscar couldn't live with Floyd late in their fight after Floyd started timing right hands.
Cotto has fought all of these different types of fighters at different levels so he can make adjustments to win fights. Against Quintana he picked up his timing and made the adjustment, against Mosley he started boxing off the back foot when Mosley started to first box and then come forward, against Judah he served up a few low blows and started moving in behind the jab to offset Judah's uppercuts.
We know that Floyd is as good as they come at making adjustments and staying true to his game plan down the stretch. He is very mentally tough, maybe his best asset. Guy has a mind like a steel trap. I think Cotto's best asset which rarely is spoken about (except by me quite often, I think I sound like a broken record) is his ability to dictate range and control space. He can force you to fight and he is always in position to punch. I think these guys would really bring out the best in each other.
As for Margarito, Cotto will have success with his jab and lateral movement, but he WILL be forced to fight. It'll be interesting to see if Margarito will have as much success on the inside against Cotto as he had against Cintron. I doubt he will. Cintron was a TALL opponent who didn't know how to handle himself well inside. As a result, MArgarito was able to get off with those uppercuts which had a lot of leverage on them. Cotto is a smaller man who knows how to fight inside. Margarito won't be able to get off with the effective chopping right hands and uppercuts quite as much.
Antonio should be able to time the uppercut as Cotto is coming in. He has done this well with smaller opponents in the past, most recently Golden Johnson (even though Johnson was a can). Cotto will have to throw that disrupting jab to get time to fire off the left/right to the body, dip out and step around to keep MArgarito turning.
It's gonna be one hell of a fight. Wow, long post.Last edited by oldgringo; 04-16-2008, 12:46 PM.
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Originally posted by 2501 View PostNow, do you realize that you are completely discrediting Mosley with this post? I'm sure that you would agree with me that Mosley is faster than Margarito right? Now, in the second half of the Mosley/Cotto fight, Mosley was frantically trying to draw Cotto into more a brawl, trying to catch him. Cotto in effect became the Boxer and Mosley became the pressure fighter. Now, everyone with an ounce of objectivity saw that Cotto did exactly what you say he cant do in your post. He was moving around, boxing and potshotting. If Cotto can outbox a desperate Mosley who's smarter and quicker than Margarito, I dont see why he wouldnt be able to AGAINST Margarito.
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