Team Katsidis: An Example Of What Not To Do

[Addison]

I don't blame his corner for telling Mike to stay on top of the old geezer, Mike just made a ****** mistake of swinging wildly and charging up with his hands down, simple as that, it was Mike's fault. If he would of fought the last 2 rounds the way he did on the previous round he would of gotten that decision.

His trainer asked him to bring it up in between the 8th and 9th. Staying on top of him was what he had to do - I agree with you on that.

[Addison]

What are you implying that he would have won the fight or was winning. I didn't see it that way. Besides you don't know what could of happened in the rest of the fight. Why are you trying to make excuses for the loser anyway? Are you guys dating?

HaHA.. Katsidis was ahead on two the judges scorecards. So yes, he was winning. If Casamayor couldn't knock him out he wasn't going to start outworking him, simplenunce.. We broke up a few days before the fight, but I still love him. Can't you tell? :wank:

[-Hyperion-]

i want rematch...

[sterling]

ah its dum cant believe he lost that

[Njord777]

His trainer asked him to bring it up in between the 8th and 9th. Staying on top of him was what he had to do - I agree with you on that.

I'm trying to put myself in the corner of Micheal Katsidis. I'm seeing what his best real estate is- inside. Micheal wasn't a skilled boxer who worked off a jab so fighting on the outside was allowing Casamayor, the faster, sharper puncher, to tee-off. I'm watching my guy get dropped, hurt by shots when he fails to get in; then I see the momentum turn. Katsidis drops Casamayor- nearly knocks him out....but the fight isn't done. We're in there with a crafty,skilled veteran who has proven he still carries enough venom to kill us. If I'm in that corner my guy has one blaring weakness above all else; defense. He lacks the ability to stay at a safe distance and not get nailed. Casamayor could still steal it on the cards or knock our boy out. If he gets inside and gets lazy it could also be dangerous- so what do I do? I tell Katsidis to stay on him. Keep the hands moving. Back him up. Do enough to keep Casamayor from mounting his own offense. We're a few rounds away from winning...but as our guy has poor defense we need to make sure he uses his only chance- offense as defense. "Stay on him! Pick it up!" I yell.

Now, in retrospect, Micheal Katsidis can feel the championship; it's almost close enough to touch- it's his. He's fought hard, knocked Casamayor down..almost finished it...and now all he has to do is stay on him. In his youth and excitement he begins lunging in; his idea of staying aggresive and active like his corner told him. If I'm in Micheal's corner I'm mortified by what I see- and then that one wide shot, the share punch from Casamayor...and the end of our night.

But, really, what was the corner to do? They knew Katsidis's best shot was to stay active against the older man....too bad they didn't realize he'd do so in such a sloppy manner.

I largely blame Katsidis, not the corner, but feel he can still come back from this.

[Shalafi]

His trainer asked him to bring it up in between the 8th and 9th. Staying on top of him was what he had to do - I agree with you on that.

And after carefully reading your original post again I agree with you by saying that "what ain't broken don't fix it" analogy, maybe that extra pressure the corner asked Mike to put on the old man triggered him to come out more aggresive, for that KO punch but instead he got careless and got caught red handed. Good **** Addison.

[Addison]

I'm trying to put myself in the corner of Micheal Katsidis. I'm seeing what his best real estate is- inside. Micheal wasn't a skilled boxer who worked off a jab so fighting on the outside was allowing Casamayor, the faster, sharper puncher, to tee-off. I'm watching my guy get dropped, hurt by shots when he fails to get in; then I see the momentum turn. Katsidis drops Casamayor- nearly knocks him out....but the fight isn't done. We're in there with a crafty,skilled veteran who has proven he still carries enough venom to kill us. If I'm in that corner my guy has one blaring weakness above all else; defense. He lacks the ability to stay at a safe distance and not get nailed. Casamayor could still steal it on the cards or knock our boy out. If he gets inside and gets lazy it could also be dangerous- so what do I do? I tell Katsidis to stay on him. Keep the hands moving. Back him up. Do enough to keep Casamayor from mounting his own offense. We're a few rounds away from winning...but as our guy has poor defense we need to make sure he uses his only chance- offense as defense. "Stay on him! Pick it up!" I yell.

Now, in retrospect, Micheal Katsidis can feel the championship; it's almost close enough to touch- it's his. He's fought hard, knocked Casamayor down..almost finished it...and now all he has to do is stay on him. In his youth and excitement he begins lunging in; his idea of staying aggresive and active like his corner told him. If I'm in Micheal's corner I'm mortified by what I see- and then that one wide shot, the share punch from Casamayor...and the end of our night.

But, really, what was the corner to do? They knew Katsidis's best shot was to stay active against the older man....too bad they didn't realize he'd do so in such a sloppy manner.

I largely blame Katsidis, not the corner, but feel he can still come back from this.

Good post.^ What his corner said specifically was;

"...I want you to lift it up a bit - but not to the point of madness.."

His trainer was not being careless, I agree with you, Njord. However, the implication there is that his trainer knew Michael's potential to get wild and excessive, but he took the risk of asking him to increase intensity anyway. To compound that fact, the poor results garnered in the 9th round did nothing to change their impression. That is what you call oversight.

These guys were undefeated. They had seen Michael come back from everything. They were out of their depth at that point and it showed up in the results. I believe them quite sincerely when they say the will come back improved and better for this experience. The part of me that has lost fights as an observer was what was urging the kid to slow down. **** can happen. Now they know..

[Addison]

And after carefully reading your original post again I agree with you by saying that "what ain't broken don't fix it" analogy, maybe that extra pressure the corner asked Mike to put on the old man triggered him to come out more aggresive, for that KO punch but instead he got careless and got caught red handed. Good **** Addison.

I appreciate that, Shalafi - respect.

You're right on the money here as well, so know that I also agree with you.

[Njord777]

Good post.^ What his corner said specifically was;

"...I want you to lift it up a bit - but not to the point of madness.."

His trainer was not being careless, I agree with you, Njord. However, the implication there is that his trainer knew Michael's potential to get wild and excessive, but he took the risk of asking him to increase intensity anyway. To compound that fact, the poor results garnered in the 9th round did nothing to change their impression. That is what you call oversight.

These guys were undefeated. They had seen Michael come back from everything. They were out of their depth at that point and it showed up in the results. I believe them quite sincerely when they say the will come back improved and better for this experience. The part of me that has lost fights as an observer was what was urging the kid to slow down. **** can happen. Now they know..

Hmm. I see what you're saying. Again, I think the consensus we've reached is that the corner took a calculated risk, a gamble, and lost. They could have won big- but I think what you're emphasizing is the corner obviously knew, after being with Katsidis for his career, training for months for the fight- watching him day in and day out at the gym- they knew he was green and had a tendency to get wild. They were really throwing it out there telling a kid who is hungry to win, but gets overly excited, to pick it up. On one hand they knew it was a sound idea for the fight they were in- but also could be a poor idea when you took Katsidis' tendencies into consideration.

If they didn't tell him to pick it up Micheal would have quite possibly stayed on the outside, a bad area, and eaten Casamayor's combinations. If Katsidis had gotten knocked out the corner would have known they knew his defense was sloppy and they should have told him to pick it up- keep the old man busy. As it is, they told him to pick it up and he got exicted, as they must have known he was prone to do- and paid the price.

"...I want you to lift it up a bit - but not to the point of madness.."

This coming from a corner deeply invested in wanting to see Katsidis win. They were a few rounds away from the championship. They knew the advice they were giving was sound but- "not to the point of madness" reflects what you're saying, Addison. The corner knew he had a wild streak in him...they knew that telling him to pick it up probably meant one of two things- he'd finish Casamayor or get nailed. Maybe they just overestimated their man. They took the risk - probably banking on his best assest- power- over his weakest link- defense.

Hindsight is 20/20.

[Scott9945]

this Fight Needs An Immediate Rematch!

I don't think Katsidis is ready for an immediate anything. He took a pretty good beating and his face was showing it.