Team Katsidis: An Example Of What Not To Do

[Addison]

You're not giving Casa enough credit, and you're giving Katsidis too much IMO. If you saw some of Katsidis' other fights or just as far as the first round, its obvious he gets careless, and just plain gets hit too much. I saw it as casa getting overconfident and giving Katsidis a way into the fight, and then casa went back to what worked. And that was gradual, you saw casa adjusting in the 2 rounds previous to the stoppage, it wasnt just "OH ****! I forgot about the left hook" in the case of Casa or "Im gonna swing for the ****ing fences!" in Katsidis' case.

Maybe I'm not. But from where I sit that fight was Katsidis' fight.

It was playing out exactly the way the majority of people and the oddsmakers imagined it once Katsidis shook off those early flash knockdowns. You could see it in Casamayor's face and in his legs. I stay pretty close to the ground on these fights and that ending was a very sharp turn off the road it was heading..

[Mech.]

Maybe I'm not. But from where I sit that fight was Katsidis' fight.

The only way I could see it that way was if the first round hadnt happened. At that point it was Casa's fight to lose, in my mind.

Maybe I'm not. But from where I sit that fight was Katsidis' fight.

It was playing out exactly the way the majority of people and the oddsmakers imagined it once Katsidis shook off those early flash knockdowns. You could see it in Casamayor's face and in his legs. I stay pretty close to the ground on these fights and that ending was a very sharp turn off the road it was heading..

To me the sharp turn came when Casa started getting hit/hurt with those body shots. I saw the ending as a natural progression of what should have happened considering the 1st. Katsidis was indeed building momentum, but in the couple of rounds before the stoppage casa was well on his way to nullifying it.

[boxing_great]

this Fight Needs An Immediate Rematch!

[Addison]

The only way I could see it that way was if the first round hadnt happened. At that point it was Casa's fight to lose, in my mind.



To me the sharp turn came when Casa started getting hit/hurt with those body shots. I saw the ending as a natural progression of what should have happened considering the 1st. Katsidis was indeed building momentum, but in the couple of rounds before the stoppage casa was well on his way to nullifying it.

The knockdowns were a surpise, but for myself even as that was happening I felt certain that Katsidis could win if he survived the round. He is after all known for his durability and tendency to take needless damage.. These were the very definition of flash knockdowns, so I wasn't worried about Katsidis being able to withstand random flashes of power from Casamayor.

Even throughout the fight Casamayor was catching Katsidis with crisp counter shots and he was walking through them. Katsidis was going to be coming forward, he was going to be throwing..

The shot that Katsidis got caught with simply never should have happened. Katsidis flailed into the danger zone like the biggest amateur I've seen in a professional ring, possibly ever. Certainly under those circumstances..

It was also an absolutely perfect punch that would have felled any fighter in the history of Boxing. I don't care how good their chin was.

That could have dropped King Kong.


But I can see what you're saying.

[Ray*]

katsidis kinda fights like Ricky Hatton in a way.

[Hitman932]

katsidis' mistake was that he caught casamoyer with a nice left right combo and he thought he had a landed a better shot than he actually he had. he mistakenly believed he had casamayor hurt otherwise even he wouldnt have been so careless. i almost **** because i thought casa had been hurt myself and that punch looked impossible considering how gone his legs had looked and the fact that his punches had lacked any steam since the 3rd round.

on replay the hook that katsidis thought had his man going was really only a glancing blow. i dont believe casamoyor was coming out to land that shot like he alleged. that one was right up there with tarver blindly knocking RJJ out. in fact id like to watch Casa's face he probably ahd his eyes closed.

also, katsidis made the fight... he was ahead on my scorecard, casamayor holds more than wladamir klitschko and almost as much as ruiz. and im not being a smartass. if there was a round with casa clinching less than 10-15 times id like to see it again.

[sparked_85]

Katsidis has no jab.

I beat Frank Warren is gutted he lost.

[Silencers]

Can you read? I know you can, you're an intelligent guy I've seen your posts.. Look man, you have to read all of what I've said here. The 9th round was not a good round, get it?

Katsidis was clearly in dangerous territory with the lunging and the wild haymakers in the 9th round. Like I've said here; I was talking to the TV myself telling him to calm the **** down.. For whatever reason his trainer told Michael to stick with what he was doing in the 9th - heading into the 10th. What Katsidis chose to do on his own was get a slightly more wild than he was in the 9th to open the 10th. That is what you saw.

The point is, what Katsidis was doing in the 9th, what his trainer told him to do, was ****** and was not working. His trainer failed to see that and Michael chose to go in wild on his own in the 10th because he had the approval of his trainer. He wasn't warned about the danger.

Danger, millions of people could see all around the world.

I understand what you're saying, but that has more to do with what Casamayor did in the 9th. The only success Katsidis had was when he was aggressive and got inside, that's what his corner wanted from him, smart aggression to not let the fight slip away, he got over anxious, jumped in and got nailed by a crafty veteran.

Although the corner should have told him to not get over anxious, but I guess his trainer had enough trust in Katsidis to not get overly anxious, they were wrong.

[Owlzfan84]

I wish Katsidis could hear me.. I was saying "..be careful.. go back to the body, Mike.." in between the 9th and 10th..

Thats what hurt Katsidis most. He stopped going to the body. Thats what was hurting Joel. Thats what lost him the fight. But Katsidis will be back

[moochi]

first round was like..holy fk, did katsidis' corner even know casamayor was a southpaw?!?!?!!

i was predicting a very tough fight for katsidis and was leaning towards a casamayor UD..because of his slickness, ring craftmanship and most of all, southpaw stance......that is what i think was the deciding factor tonight that made the difference.