DIAS was Spanking CAMPBELL in the early rounds...

[raabd]

That's a word that I can't argue with = Confidence. Juan was definitely lacking the confidence to win, but I don't think he was scared or unwilling to trade with the guy.



Well, then that's a debate for another day. It's definitely possible that he wins a rematch.

That is definetly a debate for another day. It's cool to talk boxing with regular fans. All I see on here are a bunch of nuthuggers and racists.

[Mr. Ryan]

Forrest has certainly rallied, I meant it more in the sense of Forrest-Mayorga II. Campbell could be in Diaz's head now in a like manner.

Forrest is a completely different kind of fighter. Forrest can both box and punch, plus he didn't take nearly as much punishment as Diaz. Forrest has different ways he can fight, Diaz doesn't.

Personally, this fight was similar to Calzaghe-Lacy, only not as damaging. Nonetheless, it was damaging to a certain extent and I would've commended Willie Savannah and Shields if they pulled the plug after the tenth like I thought happened. It would have preserved Diaz for the future.

[Miburo]

Forrest is a completely different kind of fighter. Forrest can both box and punch, plus he didn't take nearly as much punishment as Diaz. Forrest has different ways he can fight, Diaz doesn't.

You missed the point of the analogy entirely. As was clear in the preceding post, the fighters weren't important, I was speaking of solely mental factors. While the punishment/type of loss were not as severe, it was nevertheless Diaz's first loss, and one that could potentially shatter his confidence in a rematch in like manner.

[!! Shawn]

Forrest is a completely different kind of fighter. Forrest can both box and punch, plus he didn't take nearly as much punishment as Diaz. Forrest has different ways he can fight, Diaz doesn't.

Personally, this fight was similar to Calzaghe-Lacy, only not as damaging. Nonetheless, it was damaging to a certain extent and I would've commended Willie Savannah and Shields if they pulled the plug after the tenth like I thought happened. It would have preserved Diaz for the future.

I am proud of you Ryan. This is one of the first times I have seen you effectively utilize your critical thinking skills. Although, I am still on the fence as to whether or not this is because you have met Nate Campbell, or because you genuinely formulated an accurate opinion.

Either way, good job. Its a step in the right direction for you.

[raabd]

Forrest has certainly rallied, I meant it more in the sense of Forrest-Mayorga II. Campbell could be in Diaz's head now in a like manner.

I don't think campbell got to diaz's head but then again who knows.

[Miburo]

I don't think campbell got to diaz's head but then again who knows.

After the first loss, you never know. The situation is much clearer after the fighter has accumulated a few. Nevertheless, Diaz appears to be the type who will rally rather than wilt at this occurrence. Whether it will simply be back to his pre-fight level or he can instead surpass what he has already accomplished remains to be seen.

[Chups]

Cong**** to Nate Campbell! That was a very good fight! Upset of the year IMHO.

[moy22487]

at first i do want to give diaz maybe 4 of the first early rounds, but nates movement made it seem that diaz landed punches when he didnt, so maybe my scoreing will be diffrent next time i watch it, and pay attention to nates head movement.

[Mr. Ryan]

You missed the point of the analogy entirely. As was clear in the preceding post, the fighters weren't important, I was speaking of solely mental factors. While the punishment/type of loss were not as severe, it was nevertheless Diaz's first loss, and one that could potentially shatter his confidence in a rematch in like manner.

My argument still stands. Diaz can't adjust and that is bad for his confidence. The one style that he knows crashed and burned.

[Miburo]

My argument still stands. Diaz can't adjust and that is bad for his confidence. The one style that he knows crashed and burned.

I don't contest that point at all, just that the analogy I made was not one of fighting styles and therefore it didn't contradict anything I was saying. And note that even though Forrest could adjust, it was not enough for him to win. Therefore the prospects for Diaz, if his confidence has been broken, are potentially even worse than Forrest's (though I highly doubt this is the case, Diaz wasn't brutally knocked out in the early rounds).