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  • revs1227
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    #21
    i thought he lost the 1st and 3rd

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    • RodBarker
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      #22
      Diaz was never gunna beat this Campbel tonight , he was intimidating all the fight being last to the corner and first out every round , he never took a backward step and he threw nearly 1200 punches , Nate fought the fight of his life , no excuses Nate was the better fighter tonight .

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      • Miburo
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        #23
        Originally posted by Kaynan
        I wouldn't say that. He was throwing bombs in the 12th. Still fighting his heart out.
        Confidence is a part of heart. Campbell took that away from him by not folding. Fighters like Vasquez rally when they're in dire straits. Diaz, tonight, was the opposite - he did enough to hang on, and didn't quit.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Kaynan
          Usually he has some of the best endurance in boxing. But the difference tonight was that he was receiving as much pressure as he was giving. I don't think it was a matter of stamina.
          I don't think it was the pressure since that's Juan's fight. Nate pressured at the beginning and I had juan ahead early in the fight winning 4 of the first six rounds. I still think it was stamina and his busted eye. Not taking away anything from campbell since he was the one who busted his eye to begin with.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Kball15
            I was really shocked that Campbell was able to win the late rounds, especially as convincingly as he did.

            I picked Diaz by TKO5 if u'll remember, and i thought i was gonna be right. Campbell looked beaten up and was getting hit more and more as the rounds went by.

            He just picked up the pace and kept throwing. Hit harder too. And that cut didnt help Diaz, which kept bleeding.

            But wow Diaz got GASSED. He was EXHAUSTED by the 6th round. And by the 10th he was practically out of the fight. He was so tired.

            I saw this in the Julio fight too. He does get very tired, he is not this stamina animal that people think he is.

            However, i think Diaz will win a tuneup fight, get his rematch with Campbell, and if they do rematch i would go with the Diaz win. because when you look at the fight, when Diaz was really opening up Campbell seemed overwhelmed and i think he was even buzzed a few times, and it was getting worse and worse for Campbell until Diaz just gassed out.

            Of coarse, Diaz gassed out because Campbell was working so much, but Diaz proved that he has NO sense of pacing. He has to control himself and box more rounds.

            But i give Campbell a ton of credit for the win, its a great win for him. I REALLY hope he fights Katsidis cause thats just almost just as good a fight as Diaz-Katsidis.

            And i was impressed with Diaz's class after the fight. Campbell seems like a decent guy himself
            Gassed? I'd say that getting hit to the body contributed to him falling apart.

            Let's get it straight about Diaz's style. Diaz can't fight any other style, that's like asking Ricky Hatton to get on his toes and box. Diaz is all about pressure and ****ing away at a guy. It's either he's going to be successful in that style or he's going to falter. If Diaz slows the pace down, what does he have? He doesn't have power or superb technique. He's just an average fighter.

            About Katsidis, if I'm Golden Boy I avoid Campbell. That is the worst style for him possible. Campbell would blow Katsidis out, he cuts too easily and Campbell is too slick. Katsidis isn't a super fighter, he's just an exciting fighter.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Tengoshi
              Confidence is a part of heart. Campbell took that away from him by not folding. Fighters like Vasquez rally when they're in dire straits. Diaz, tonight, was the opposite - he did enough to hang on, and didn't quit.
              You wanna know the difference between a Vazquez and a Diaz rally? Vazquez can hurt the guy. Diaz rallied, it was just that he couldn't budge Campbell. He didn't lose any heart, imo.

              Originally posted by raabd
              I don't think it was the pressure since that's Juan's fight. Nate pressured at the beginning and I had juan ahead early in the fight winning 4 of the first six rounds. I still think it was stamina and his busted eye. Not taking away anything from campbell since he was the one who busted his eye to begin with.
              He was consistently met with pressure throughout the fight. Of course the eye played a part, but I think that he truly tired because of the work from Campbell. I don't think it's fair to credit outside sources for what Nate did tonight.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Asian Sensation
                Gassed? I'd say that getting hit to the body contributed to him falling apart.

                Let's get it straight about Diaz's style. Diaz can't fight any other style, that's like asking Ricky Hatton to get on his toes and box. Diaz is all about pressure and ****ing away at a guy. It's either he's going to be successful in that style or he's going to falter. If Diaz slows the pace down, what does he have? He doesn't have power or superb technique. He's just an average fighter.

                About Katsidis, if I'm Golden Boy I avoid Campbell. That is the worst style for him possible. Campbell would blow Katsidis out, he cuts too easily and Campbell is too slick. Katsidis isn't a super fighter, he's just an exciting fighter.
                you getting a little ahead of youself.

                Katsidis may not be a superfighter, i agree, but he hits hard enough and is certainly good enough to flatten Campbell. I thats an excellent fight for Katsidis and Campbell, i think its an all action fight.

                And you can contribute some of Diaz's faultering to the body shots, but i think the vast majority of it was his complete lack of pacing. The guy just ran out there and threw punch after punch... you HAVE to pace yourself or u wotn last

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Kaynan
                  You wanna know the difference between a Vazquez and a Diaz rally? Vazquez can hurt the guy. Diaz rallied, it was just that he couldn't budge Campbell. He didn't lose any heart, imo.
                  I would agree with you about the power disparity, although I would contest that Diaz rallied at all. Diaz isn't the type of fighter who can start running, he keeps fighting on the inside no matter the circumstances. Nevertheless I contend that Campbell mentally broke him to some degree, and this was as much of a factor as stamina.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Tengoshi
                    I would agree with you about the power disparity, although I would contest that Diaz rallied at all. Diaz isn't the type of fighter who can start running, he keeps fighting on the inside no matter the circumstances. Nevertheless I contend that Campbell mentally broke him to some degree, and this was as much of a factor as stamina.
                    Yeah, Campbell definitely broke him down, I won't argue with that. But that's on Campbell, not Juan's heart. He spent the 12th round fighting his heart out, despite being obviously tired.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Kball15
                      I was really shocked that Campbell was able to win the late rounds, especially as convincingly as he did.

                      I picked Diaz by TKO5 if u'll remember, and i thought i was gonna be right. Campbell looked beaten up and was getting hit more and more as the rounds went by.

                      He just picked up the pace and kept throwing. Hit harder too. And that cut didnt help Diaz, which kept bleeding.

                      But wow Diaz got GASSED. He was EXHAUSTED by the 6th round. And by the 10th he was practically out of the fight. He was so tired.

                      I saw this in the Julio fight too. He does get very tired, he is not this stamina animal that people think he is.

                      However, i think Diaz will win a tuneup fight, get his rematch with Campbell, and if they do rematch i would go with the Diaz win. because when you look at the fight, when Diaz was really opening up Campbell seemed overwhelmed and i think he was even buzzed a few times, and it was getting worse and worse for Campbell until Diaz just gassed out.

                      Of coarse, Diaz gassed out because Campbell was working so much, but Diaz proved that he has NO sense of pacing. He has to control himself and box more rounds.

                      But i give Campbell a ton of credit for the win, its a great win for him. I REALLY hope he fights Katsidis cause thats just almost just as good a fight as Diaz-Katsidis.

                      And i was impressed with Diaz's class after the fight. Campbell seems like a decent guy himself
                      While I respect your opinion, I disagree with your analysis of the events that transpired.

                      I saw Nate Campbell assume control early in the fight, and I saw him demonstrating once again why pressure will never overcome the tried and true shoulder roll defense.

                      I saw rounds 1 and 3 for Campbell. He was getting amazing work done to the body, and every time Diaz tried to rest up on his shoulder, he kept popping that little left uppercut in his face. Not hard enough to do any damage, but it was making Diaz uncomfortable, and preventing him from resting during the rounds.

                      Campbell was also landing a devilishly effective counter right uppercut throughout the early rounds.

                      The really story of the early rounds is about Campbells body punching though. In round 3, I actually saw Diaz cringe from a right hand to the body. That is when I knew Campbell was in control of the fight.

                      Campbell fought smart, and he kept up the body punching all night long. The HBO broadcasting staff was shamelessly caressing Diaz nuts with their mouths. It was disgusting. Emanuel Steward was the only one giving Campbell credit for the effective work he was doing.

                      What really pissed me off was when they tried to pretend that the cut Diaz suffered was the turning point in the fight. it was not. Harold scored that round 10-8, it was a blatantly 9-9 round that should have gone to Campbell.

                      The cut was simply the final nail in Diaz coffin. Before the cut, you could really start to see him slowing down. He was holding his hands lower, and his legs were fading fast. These are all sign of GASP. Effective body punching all night long from Campbell.

                      Getting cut does not take the starch out of you. It does not take your legs away. It does not make you drop your hands.

                      Simply put. Campbell fought a smart fight. Diaz was exposed for what he is. A pure nonstop action pressure fighter that flounders when he is forced to think in the ring.

                      Campbell fought a smart cerebral fight. He had a game plan, and he stuck too it.

                      I would also like to acknowledge the fact that Campbell did border on dirty. While he was not fouling, he was skirting borderline unsportsmanlike conduct.

                      My favorite was his artificial head butting. When Diaz rested his head on Campbells shoulder, he would throw a left hook that sent Diaz head flinging into his own.

                      Very craft, not illegal, but accomplished the same thing.

                      Campbell kind of reminded me of James Toney tonight. I was impressed.

                      Anyway you slice it, Campbell completely and systematically dismantled Diaz tonight. The cut was just another factor in the fight, but was in no way the deciding factor as some have suggested.

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