How big a factor was Roy Jones Steroid use?

[obaioghill]

Briandl - That was the Richard Hall fight - Jones used the Ripped Fuel - Hall tested really high on the roid scale. Hall complained that Jones was on steroids and thats why he lost - but Hall was/is a little crazy.

[BennyST]

Any fighter that uses steroids tarnishes their legacy. It is a sad fact that sometimes some people will just do anything to keep winning. The biggest problem I have with it, and the most obvious, is that whilst they still have to train just as hard as ever it does give that extra advantage that you can't get no matter how hard you train. Boxing is more of an anaerobic sport. It is short periods of intense and extreme activity with short periods for recovery.

Anabolic steroids increase anaerobic capacity and recovery time and can give an increase in general anaerobic stamina, the ability to ward off the onset of lactic acid build up and an increase in ATP, (adenosine triphosphate) which is what keeps your muscles firing. A little test you can do is to clench and unclench your fist as fast as you can over and over until fatigue sets in. The higher your ATP levels are the more you can do it. Steroids help in that or act as a substitute enabling you do to it for longer periods with quicker recovery. Training must still be done though.

I find it sad that anyone would think it's ok for anyone to use steroids. A number of people have been caught lately and it puts a real dampener on the sport and especially in boxings case, which has a bad enough name as it is, which is so corrupt you wonder if it's just a case of paying off the right people.

Many people accuse Toney of being a cheat and loser when he won the heavyweight title on steroids and got caught. What not feel the same for Jones Jr? Or Shane Mosley? Why not just legitimise Toneys claim on the title?

There is also a telltale sign of longterm steroid use that can be obvious to spot on ripped athletes. I often wondered why no one mentioned this more in Jones Jr's case. The classic sign is when a very ripped guy has a bloated middle and it looks out of proportion to the rest of them. Like their stomach area doesn't fit in with the rest of them as it looks like it has been blown up with air. Pretty gross looking and I noticed this in Jones Jr in quite a large number of photos.

The thing is, when athletes of such an elite level get together there is so little difference between them all that the tiniest bit of extra help can be the difference between what gives them the win or losing. Unfortunately it can be all too easy to just give in to the need to keep winning when the elite guys feel like they're finally starting to slip. I always thought it was a bit weird when Jones' body started to get that classic 'roided' look in his later career and he was looking strangely out of proportion.

I don't know whether it will ruin his legacy but it certainly puts a question mark next to it, or at least next to his later career wins or fights. Though it seems the thread starter is more interested in getting anyone to hate Jones Jr in any way he can.

[classicbuzzbox]

I've about 10 friends that are in steroids and I'm not talking out of my ass like some of you here.

Yes you are indeed talking out of your ass until you can prove this ****. If you said you had even 1 friend I would call bull****. You don't have friends and especially none that "are in steriods" whatever the **** that means. Just stay offline, as you suck at life.

Well, just maybe it gave him that little boost in confidence he may have needed going up against DLH. Vargas has come up short in his biggest fights, so don't think that wasn't in the back of his mind. Only he knows what demons he's fighting. In case you hadn't heard, boxing is just as much mental as it is physical. You must always take that into consideration to see the big picture, birdbrain.(lol)

You can't be serious. What is this ****. Is it just me or is this the biggest, lamest, most steaming pile of brown dribble in the history of posting? Steroid use some kind of confidence boost? Thats your "big picture"???? NO WAY!!!!Firstly, a fighter has to make a decision. Its a decision that is wrong because it is cheating and that means you have smaller nuts than a guy that won't and can't cheat and those nuts will only get smaller with steriod use. Your balls will actually shrink, this really happens. Once you step over that line, you are a fake, because you didn't get the results without cheating. There is a decision to make, one is the hard road that may not lead to as much fame and fortune, then there is cheating. Simple. You get caught, like roid jones, then you are exposed as having small balls. Little, pissweak, shrivelled up balls. All the money and fame in the world wont blow them back up to normal size. As for dumbasses who use Toney as some kind of example of steriod use makes you a smack talking fat ****, no it doesn't. You can juice up as much as you want, you still have to work out and by work out, that doesn't mean curling burgers into your mouth. He is a fat man with small balls who forgot where his gym went.

[moofo]

Any fighter that uses steroids tarnishes their legacy. It is a sad fact that sometimes some people will just do anything to keep winning. The biggest problem I have with it, and the most obvious, is that whilst they still have to train just as hard as ever it does give that extra advantage that you can't get no matter how hard you train. Boxing is more of an anaerobic sport. It is short periods of intense and extreme activity with short periods for recovery.

Anabolic steroids increase anaerobic capacity and recovery time and can give an increase in general anaerobic stamina, the ability to ward off the onset of lactic acid build up and an increase in ATP, (adenosine triphosphate) which is what keeps your muscles firing. A little test you can do is to clench and unclench your fist as fast as you can over and over until fatigue sets in. The higher your ATP levels are the more you can do it. Steroids help in that or act as a substitute enabling you do to it for longer periods with quicker recovery. Training must still be done though.

I find it sad that anyone would think it's ok for anyone to use steroids. A number of people have been caught lately and it puts a real dampener on the sport and especially in boxings case, which has a bad enough name as it is, which is so corrupt you wonder if it's just a case of paying off the right people.

Many people accuse Toney of being a cheat and loser when he won the heavyweight title on steroids and got caught. What not feel the same for Jones Jr? Or Shane Mosley? Why not just legitimise Toneys claim on the title?

There is also a telltale sign of longterm steroid use that can be obvious to spot on ripped athletes. I often wondered why no one mentioned this more in Jones Jr's case. The classic sign is when a very ripped guy has a bloated middle and it looks out of proportion to the rest of them. Like their stomach area doesn't fit in with the rest of them as it looks like it has been blown up with air. Pretty gross looking and I noticed this in Jones Jr in quite a large number of photos.

The thing is, when athletes of such an elite level get together there is so little difference between them all that the tiniest bit of extra help can be the difference between what gives them the win or losing. Unfortunately it can be all too easy to just give in to the need to keep winning when the elite guys feel like they're finally starting to slip. I always thought it was a bit weird when Jones' body started to get that classic 'roided' look in his later career and he was looking strangely out of proportion.

I don't know whether it will ruin his legacy but it certainly puts a question mark next to it, or at least next to his later career wins or fights. Though it seems the thread starter is more interested in getting anyone to hate Jones Jr in any way he can.

Up until the highliighted ending to your post it was quite a decent reply.
Then you fall down and join the rest of the Idiots with the "hater" slinging.
The fact is I don't "Hate" anyone BUT I do have a different opinion than most who are on here.
Reason being I don't care for DRUG CHEATS.
Most people ignore Roy's cheating because he was so gifted and because he was American.
And being an american board it is nigh on impossible to find unbiased opinions especially from RJJ nuthuggers who use any excuse for the guy.
Am I a Hater...no...just not a sheep.
Lets say you like beef but I don't?
Damn I am a Hater cos I don't like Beef....
Get the picture?
Probably not.

[Lenny McDaniels]

i honestly dont still dont believe it..
if it was true, i dont think it has any effect on his legacy. i dont care really..

i think people (esp ones from UK, wales ect) continue to bash roy for all his accomplishments. what you guys really need to do is shut the **** up. roy was the best fighter ive ever seen to lace up a pair of gloves. so stop cryin about it..

The best you have ever seen. Really???? THE BEST you have EVER SEEN?????? I think you would blow Roy, if you had the chance.. if he is the best you have ever seen, then I wonder who you have seen? [SIZE="7"] I do admit he is the best cheater I have ever seen. Wait a minute he is the only cheater I have seen in the game of boxing..````````````````````````````````

[GunStar]

Yes you are indeed talking out of your ass until you can prove this ****. If you said you had even 1 friend I would call bull****. You don't have friends and especially none that "are in steriods" whatever the **** that means. Just stay offline, as you suck at life.

Mr. Alt is back again. You see, you're the one that actually suck at life, you don't even have the balls to type this **** from your real account, so you're talking **** to me once again behind your alt account. I know, I hurt your feelings a few weeks ago but you don't need to take it personally, I've already forgotten about your sorry lame ass.

You don't even know how to debate, flaming does not help you to prove your point, you suck at flaming just like you suck at making a point. You don't know **** about steroids, so I suggest that you shut your ******ed mouth up. Talking **** from your computer is pretty easy, I will respect you more if you talk **** from your real account, not your alt, so this way I will know who I'm dealing with.

It's time for you to drown your head in your parents toilet cause life has been bad for you. Trust me everything will be OK, after you drown your head.

[GunStar]

many athletes use these drugs man...
just to inform you, the steroid epidemic is in the UK right now.. thats where its the biggest as of now.. reguardless of the MLB problems..

i dont believe the steroids tarnished his legacy at all man.. thats my opinion.. roy wouldve swashed every1 either way..

this will be my final post in this thread..

Joe Calzaghe is probably on steroids, his stamina is great for his age, so I wont be surprised if Cal is on steroids.

[GunStar]

GunStar some of your posts have had me laughing I must admit, you're a hypocrit, you talk about talking out of your ass and so far that's all you've done. Lets analyse some of the things you've said so far;

Firstly you said that Steroids don't improve your power, of course steroids will improve your power, as Gavin....(can't remember the numbers) said, many sprinters who have been caught had improved their times using steroids, yes sprintings about speed but it's also about power. Steroids DO improve power. Your second funny statement, which really did make me chuckle was that 90% of todays Heavyweights were on steroids...I would love to see one bit of evidence that proves this statement. Its not like boxers have to undergo drug tests and that...oh no wait, they do. You also said that Heavyweights don't have great stamina, now don't get me wrong a lot of Heavyweights aren't the most aesthetically pleasing athletes but they are still well conditioned and have great stamina. You make 12 rounds of boxing sound like a walk in the park but believe it or not, you have to be in tremendous shape to go 12 rounds at the top level of the sport. The comparison of the size of Heavyweights past and present was ******, have you ever thought we maybe know more about training and nutrition now than heavyweights of the past knew. I also don't understand how you can compare their staminas. Then another comedy statement from yourself was that steroids don't improve stamina (even though you said earlier that they probably do) and that there's no scientific evidence to suggest so. Sorry but there is evidence that proves steroids improve stamina, lets take cycling for example, more specifically road cycling and road cycling is all about stamina. Now there have been many champions and ex-champions that have admitted to taking steroids and they admitted it improved their career's. But there have also been scientific experiments on steroids and it has been proven that in cycling, the use of steroids can improve a cyclists performance by up to 25%. Your last post was classic, I'll even quote it "I'm not talking out of my ass here like some people." when from what I see that's all you've done. Go read up on stuff before you float bull**** around at every possibility.

As a fan of boxing I also couldn't let Queensdawg comment go, as you stated you don't believe the rumours that Roy Jones Jr took steroids which is fair enough even though the evidence is stacked against him. But your next sentence pissed me off as a fan of boxing, you said "if it was true, i dont think it has any effect on his legacy. i dont care really.. " So you're saying that if he had intentionally cheated it doesn't matter and that it doesn't affect his legacy, of course it affects his legacy. If he intentionally cheated, he undermimed the sport of boxing, showed no respect for boxing and worst of all no regard for any of his opponents or their safety. You then tried to put the blame on people from the UK (pretty random) when its not people from the UK that don't take kindly to a drug cheat, it's lovers of sport that don't take kindly to a drug cheat. I honestly don't know how you can call yourself a fan of boxing when you say it doesn't matter if a fighter has or hasn't taken drugs.

Learn how to use some paragraphs, I'm not going to real all that ****.

Anyway, fact is most people don't know **** about steroids, they just read some garbage about steroids they think it's fact. Steroids can help some athletes in some other sports but it does not help you to kick someone ass and that's the fact. Punching power does not come from strength, so even if steroids make you physically stronger, it does not improve your punching power, your chin or your boxing skills.


As for steroids improving your stamina, that's debatable. Most heavyweights are on steroids and they all have ****ty stamina, both James Toney and Danny Batchelder were on steroids when they fought each other, go watch the fight and tell me if they had great stamina.

[Derranged]

How much did it enhance his career?
Could he have put on the Meat without the Juice for his one and only fight against a Trinket holder at Heavyweight?
How many years was he using THG before it became detectable?
And was it a factor that when the Balco scandal broke in 2003 Roy became human overnight?
What are your thoughts.
Are you among those people who can accept that someone who tested positive for steroids which in effect is cheating?
Do you find it hard to swallow that Roy shattered the illusion ?
Or can you just shrug it off and think "I don't care....Roy is my boy cheat or no cheat!!!"

Thoughts?

Not at all. And I have thought.... get a ****in life.

[moofo]

Not at all. And I have thought.... get a ****in life.

I have a steroid free one(life) where I don't ****ing believe things of myself that are not true.
Unlike your Boy Roy who is a deluded fool who continues to embarrass himself with his incoherent uneducated ramblings which are similar to the Yanks who argue his corner.
The same uneducated clowns who will fight a cheats corner.
Roy and his deluded following who think his dire 12 rounds of boring **** against another past his prime former Welter-weight means he is ready to fight at the highest level again.
Truth is he got Knocked the **** out by 2 mediocre fighters in Tarver & Johnson.
When he couldn't cheat anymore of course.
So **** you ass-clown I have a great unclouded view of life.
And I don't have to suffer a lifelong brainwashing from the Country I was born in.

God bless America.