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There is certainly more than ONE champ. Just because they're not all recognized as *THE* man in the division. They're still champs. And the debate isn't whether or not too much is being invested into the belt itself. It's the fact that he held a belt, and was recognized as a champ, while maybe not "THE" champ, a champion nonetheless. How this can be disputed is beyond me.
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There is certainly more than ONE champ. Just because they're not all recognized as *THE* man in the division. They're still champs. And the debate isn't whether or not too much is being invested into the belt itself. It's the fact that he held a belt, and was recognized as a champ, while maybe not "THE" champ, a champion nonetheless. How this can be disputed is beyond me. -
Where the hell did the IBO come from? The only IBO champion I recognize is **** Tiger, who came from the Ibo tribe in Nigeria.
OK, so let's see relevant the title belts are. Zab Judah loses to Carlos Balomir, but Baldomir doesn't pay the sanctioning body fees for the other belts. Judah is allowed to hold onto the WBC belt as a result. Was Judah still a welterweight champion?
Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson relinquish their alphabelts and fight to see who the real champion of the division is. The sanctioning bodies, whose job that sucks 10 percent of their purses is complicated by having to come up with a list of 15 eligible challengers
, they wanted to put both combatants in with opponents no one figured to be worthy or worthwhile. They drop their belts, come together for a 175 pound super fight, and boxing has a champion that all can accept.
That's how it should be done.
When Muhammad Ali was champion in the 60's, the WBA recognized Ernie Terrell as their heavyweight "champion" Being that the WBA recognized him as their "champion", would you call him heavyweight champion? If so, that's humorous.
When I write an article and a subject has a belt but isn't the man in the division, I refer to him as a titlist, not as a champion. To me, champion means more than who Jose Sulaiman or any other crook believes is champion. To be the man, you must beat the man. I don't throw around the word champion like some people do.
Then again, that's just me.Comment
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Ill tell you all the problem...
Moofo is David Telesco...Comment
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Where the hell did the IBO come from? The only IBO champion I recognize is **** Tiger, who came from the Ibo tribe in Nigeria.
OK, so let's see relevant the title belts are. Zab Judah loses to Carlos Balomir, but Baldomir doesn't pay the sanctioning body fees for the other belts. Judah is allowed to hold onto the WBC belt as a result. Was Judah still a welterweight champion?
Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson relinquish their alphabelts and fight to see who the real champion of the division is. The sanctioning bodies, whose job that sucks 10 percent of their purses is complicated by having to come up with a list of 15 eligible challengers , they wanted to put both combatants in with opponents no one figured to be worthy or worthwhile. They drop their belts, come together for a 175 pound super fight, and boxing has a champion that all can accept.
That's how it should be done.
When Muhammad Ali was champion in the 60's, the WBA recognized Ernie Terrell as their heavyweight "champion" Being that the WBA recognized him as their "champion", would you call him heavyweight champion? If so, that's humorous.
When I write an article and a subject has a belt but isn't the man in the division, I refer to him as a titlist, not as a champion. To me, champion means more than who Jose Sulaiman or any other crook believes is champion. To be the man, you must beat the man. I don't throw around the word champion like some people do.
Then again, that's just me.
According to facts, YES he was. You gave the answer to me. Should he have been? NO but you have to go by the facts and by whats written in the rule books. YES he was a welterweight champion. How can you argue against it.
You said "TO ME" come on dude, you are not the BOXING RULE BOOK 2008. That is CLEARLY your OPINION. We are not going by Opinions, we are going by stone cold hard FACTS. How is a FACT wrong, please tell me. No one has answered me yet,Last edited by My Name Is...; 03-01-2008, 02:06 AM.Comment
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he won a heavyweight title didn't he??? then, yea, he was champ.. r u gonna say miguel cotto isn't a welterweight champ?? u gna say cintron or quintana aren't welterweight champs??Comment
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Whatever kind of glue you are sniffing, stop it.
George W. Bush is a president. He is also THE president, but only of US of A.
Among other countries, he's only A president.
If we go by what you say in that post, there exist no heavyweight champion as of right now.
Wlad is not undisputed. He does not have all the belts.
You and every other person saying Wlad is THE heavyweight champion only assume he is the best.
He has not beaten the other champions, ergo he cannot be considered THE champion.
As a matter of fact, we can only consider him as A champion/titlist or whatever the cowpoo you want to call it.
It does not matter that Ring magazine or Michael Katz or whoever you care to mention have Wlad as the nr. 1 guy in the division. It's only an assumption.
Either we say that Roy won a title and was a motherslapping champion, or we say that there exist no champion at all.
The thread starter should consider taking his brain back to Ikea; it's clearly broken.Comment
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