Seriously...who believes RJJ was ever Heavyweight Champ?

[johnm is...]

How can someone be a heavyweight champion? That's like saying George W. Bush is a president, and Hillary Clinton can be a president also.

There is only one heavyweight champion, that is the man in the division. How can you be the man in the division if you only fight one fight in the division against the number 3 contender and then bail on the division?

It means something to be the heavyweight champion, more than just picking up a belt and dipping. Don't invest too much into the title belts and alphabet soup. They're bad news.

There is certainly more than ONE champ. Just because they're not all recognized as *THE* man in the division. They're still champs. And the debate isn't whether or not too much is being invested into the belt itself. It's the fact that he held a belt, and was recognized as a champ, while maybe not "THE" champ, a champion nonetheless. How this can be disputed is beyond me.

[Mr. Ryan]

how is there only one champion? according to Boxing their are numerous champions. WBA, IBF, WBC, WBO, IBO. Come on dawg,stop making my arguements for me, i dont need the help.

Where the hell did the IBO come from? The only IBO champion I recognize is **** Tiger, who came from the Ibo tribe in Nigeria.

OK, so let's see relevant the title belts are. Zab Judah loses to Carlos Balomir, but Baldomir doesn't pay the sanctioning body fees for the other belts. Judah is allowed to hold onto the WBC belt as a result. Was Judah still a welterweight champion?

Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson relinquish their alphabelts and fight to see who the real champion of the division is. The sanctioning bodies, whose job that sucks 10 percent of their purses is complicated by having to come up with a list of 15 eligible challengers , they wanted to put both combatants in with opponents no one figured to be worthy or worthwhile. They drop their belts, come together for a 175 pound super fight, and boxing has a champion that all can accept.


That's how it should be done.

When Muhammad Ali was champion in the 60's, the WBA recognized Ernie Terrell as their heavyweight "champion" Being that the WBA recognized him as their "champion", would you call him heavyweight champion? If so, that's humorous.

When I write an article and a subject has a belt but isn't the man in the division, I refer to him as a titlist, not as a champion. To me, champion means more than who Jose Sulaiman or any other crook believes is champion. To be the man, you must beat the man. I don't throw around the word champion like some people do.

Then again, that's just me.

[My Name Is...]

There is certainly more than ONE champ. Just because they're not all recognized as *THE* man in the division. They're still champs. And the debate isn't whether or not too much is being invested into the belt itself. It's the fact that he held a belt, and was recognized as a champ, while maybe not "THE" champ, a champion nonetheless. How this can be disputed is beyond me.

Thank you, how can you prove a FACT, Wrong? You cant. How the hell do you argue against it.

To be ignorant is to not know.
but to know and still not do is being ******.

[THE REED]

Ill tell you all the problem...





Moofo is David Telesco...

[My Name Is...]

Where the hell did the IBO come from? The only IBO champion I recognize is **** Tiger, who came from the Ibo tribe in Nigeria.

OK, so let's see relevant the title belts are. Zab Judah loses to Carlos Balomir, but Baldomir doesn't pay the sanctioning body fees for the other belts. Judah is allowed to hold onto the WBC belt as a result. Was Judah still a welterweight champion?

Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson relinquish their alphabelts and fight to see who the real champion of the division is. The sanctioning bodies, whose job that sucks 10 percent of their purses is complicated by having to come up with a list of 15 eligible challengers , they wanted to put both combatants in with opponents no one figured to be worthy or worthwhile. They drop their belts, come together for a 175 pound super fight, and boxing has a champion that all can accept.


That's how it should be done.

When Muhammad Ali was champion in the 60's, the WBA recognized Ernie Terrell as their heavyweight "champion" Being that the WBA recognized him as their "champion", would you call him heavyweight champion? If so, that's humorous.

When I write an article and a subject has a belt but isn't the man in the division, I refer to him as a titlist, not as a champion. To me, champion means more than who Jose Sulaiman or any other crook believes is champion. To be the man, you must beat the man. I don't throw around the word champion like some people do.

Then again, that's just me.

According to facts, YES he was. You gave the answer to me. Should he have been? NO but you have to go by the facts and by whats written in the rule books. YES he was a welterweight champion. How can you argue against it.

You said "TO ME" come on dude, you are not the BOXING RULE BOOK 2008. That is CLEARLY your OPINION. We are not going by Opinions, we are going by stone cold hard FACTS. How is a FACT wrong, please tell me. No one has answered me yet,

[johnm is...]

Ill tell you all the problem...





Moofo is David Telesco...

You case crackin' mother ****er! Close this thread down.

[KingTito]

he won a heavyweight title didn't he??? then, yea, he was champ.. r u gonna say miguel cotto isn't a welterweight champ?? u gna say cintron or quintana aren't welterweight champs??

[tyson]

How can someone be a heavyweight champion? That's like saying George W. Bush is a president, and Hillary Clinton can be a president also.

There is only one heavyweight champion, that is the man in the division. How can you be the man in the division if you only fight one fight in the division against the number 3 contender and then bail on the division?

It means something to be the heavyweight champion, more than just picking up a belt and dipping. Don't invest too much into the title belts and alphabet soup. They're bad news.

Whatever kind of glue you are sniffing, stop it.

George W. Bush is a president. He is also THE president, but only of US of A.
Among other countries, he's only A president.

If we go by what you say in that post, there exist no heavyweight champion as of right now.
Wlad is not undisputed. He does not have all the belts.
You and every other person saying Wlad is THE heavyweight champion only assume he is the best.
He has not beaten the other champions, ergo he cannot be considered THE champion.

As a matter of fact, we can only consider him as A champion/titlist or whatever the cowpoo you want to call it.

It does not matter that Ring magazine or Michael Katz or whoever you care to mention have Wlad as the nr. 1 guy in the division. It's only an assumption.

Either we say that Roy won a title and was a motherslapping champion, or we say that there exist no champion at all.


The thread starter should consider taking his brain back to Ikea; it's clearly broken.

[My Name Is...]

he won a heavyweight title didn't he??? then, yea, he was champ.. r u gonna say miguel cotto isn't a welterweight champ?? u gna say cintron or quintana aren't welterweight champs??

Thank You, now we see more and more people coming to the light.

[THE REED]

he won a heavyweight title didn't he??? then, yea, he was champ.. r u gonna say miguel cotto isn't a welterweight champ?? u gna say cintron or quintana aren't welterweight champs??

Thats what moofo is trying to explain to you, they arent champs