Roy Jones JR is the most overated Fighter ever

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  • big paulie
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    #71
    Originally posted by moofo
    He is a cheat.
    But that is Ok cos he is american.
    1 negative, a career full of wins, numerous titles at several weights.....you choose to dismiss it all because of that one negative

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    • RichCCFC
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      #72
      Originally posted by renren40
      too many haters here...give the man props...he kicked as for a long time...he cant help it the names werent as big as his
      Yes, he could have.

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        #73
        Originally posted by Truthvito
        I didn't say he was the greatest of all time. I just said he was great to watch. And yeah some of his opponents were poor. What about Reggie Johnson? Has a damn good fighter and Roy made him look like complete fool. Not all his opponents were bums, but obviously some were, like Richard Frazier.lol
        i never said that u said he was the greatest of all time

        i just dont think he would have got away with as much as he did if he had been fighting better calibre oposition

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          #74
          Originally posted by divad
          Roy Jones JR is the most overated Fighter ever ,im not saying he was'nt a great fighter cause he was & i love watching Roy Jones JR he is briiliant to watch 1 of my favourites ,however ive had enough of the people that massively overate him & there seeem's to be a lot of people on NSB that overate him

          he won the Heavyweight Title yes but John Ruiz is possibly the wosrt heavyweight Champion ever , Toney beat him aswell let's not forget

          Roy Dominated James Toney who is an Elite fighter ,this to date is his best win & it seem's though his legacy is based on his dominence of this fighter ,Toney proceeded to lose his next fight agaisnt a lesser oponent in Montell Griffin however

          Hopkins was'nt any where near his prime when these 2 clashed u can say that Niether was Roy But Roy was a better fighter at this stage of his career than Hopkins ,different fighter's peak at different times though just look at Calzaghe his best form has come with Experience etc

          To Many people read into the triple hooks Roy landed against nobody's like Bryan Brannon & the stunning KO''s ,and the way he dominated C Class fighters like Kelly ,Frazier ,Lucas,Telasco,Hall ,

          all every well & good but he would'nt have played basketball before a fight had he been fighting someone of any substance & we all know that ,to many people base Roy's greatness on what he would have done to fighter's had they fought & that is plain wrong IMO

          Just to repeat Roy was a great fighter i do not disagree but he was'nt as great as people make him out to be or maybe he was but one thing's for sure he did'nt prove it against the best fighter's Post Toney ,Great oponent's make u truly great IMO


          BTW i dont know why people bring up Mike McCallum when they mention Roy resume ,McCallum was an old man by then do u think Roy would have done that to the McCallum that fought Mike Watson not a chance
          Great post. I still laugh at time when they mention McCallum, im sure he could have knocked out McCallum but again chose not to and yet he will ko Trinidad cause he wants too. I honestly think years from now, the samething will be said about Mayweather.

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            #75
            Originally posted by big paulie
            1 negative, a career full of wins, numerous titles at several weights.....you choose to dismiss it all because of that one negative
            a bit like what u do to Naz Cause Barrera beat him

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              #76
              Originally posted by mrpain81
              Steroid Abuse

              You got any sources?

              Roy Jones is probably the most gifted athlete you will see in any sport, he made things look easy. People said he only fought nobody's, but like he says "thats cause I make them look like Nobody's". When its all said and done, he will go down as one of the best.
              Here ya go.

              Hall stated during said interview that Jones had tested positive for anabolic steroids use when the two met back in May of 2000. (Hall neglected to tell Mr. Freeman that he too had tested positive, but his omission didn't go unnoticed or unmentioned when Mr. Freeman and his editor went on a quest for the truth regarding this bit of disturbing news). The events that followed Hall's statement are now part of boxing history.

              Braggingrightscorner.com was accused of posting rumors and gossip, even Jones' trainer Alton Merkerson and Jones' adviser Brad Jacobs came to the rescue but their attempts at damage control couldn't derail the truth. And the truth is that Roy Jones Jr. through his attorney admitted to the Indiana Boxing Commission that he had used steroids prior to this fight. Pursuant to his admission Roy agreed to certain terms and conditions dictated by the Indiana Boxing Commission regarding the episode. (Those of you who doubt internet reporting, please refer to The Ring magazine's January 2004 issue which acknowledges and credits Aladdin Freeman for the report).

              Shortly after Mr. Freeman's story, the BALCO lab story broke BIG, implicating many high profile figures in the world of sports. The lab was shut down and a federal probe is ongoing. As a refresher, BALCO was manufacturing a so called designer drug designed to mask the use of anabolic steroids. While other 'chemists' may achieve similar results in the future, for the time being at least, things have become a bit hairy for some athletes, and the world of boxing whispered the names of Shane Mosley and Roy Jones, Jr. as the two who would probably suffer the most from the demise of the BALCO lab.
              Shane Mosley has fought twice since the BALCO scandal which broke in September 2003, looking horrible against Oscar de la Hoya, (September 2003), (although he was gifted the decision), and even worst against Ronald "Winky" Wright, (March of 2004), (who wouldn't be denied the decision)
              Roy Jones, Jr.'s first performance following the BALCO debacle was against Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver in November of 2003. Do you remember how Roy looked then? To put it in the words of Joe Calzaghe, he looked... "human for a change."
              I was shocked to see Jones looking spent and seemingly out of it in his corner in between rounds, being pummeled by Tarver as he laid against the ropes for a great part of the fight. The bout was close and of course the decision went to Jones Jr. But sometimes in winning, you lose just as much, and Roy lost a lot of credibility here. So what did Roy do? He began to make excuses... ranking in first place was the excuse about having had to come down in weight from the November fight against John Ruiz -never mind that he had six months in which to lose 18 pounds... Heck, I know guys who do that in a fraction of the time, for a whole lot less money and still manage to win fights. He made excuses about other things too, but Antonio Tarver wasn't having any of it.

              Team Tarver pressed the issue and a rematch was agreed to. Roy's pride was on the line; he even said the second time around would be more than personal. This rematch was about Roy Jones Jr. having to save face, plain and simple.

              The encore was scheduled for May 15, 2004, four years and two days following the Richard Hall fight. Oddly enough, Richard Hall was scheduled to fight in the Jones-Tarver 2 undercard. (In case you are wondering, he got knocked out in four rounds).

              In what will go down as a classic moment, Tarver delivered the first blow of the night before the timekeeper had a chance to ring the opening bell. As referee Jay Nady asks the two combatants if they have any questions, loudly and unequivocally the cool as a cucumber Antonio Tarver replies: "Yeah, I have a question... Are you going to have any excuses tonight, Roy?" Ouch!

              Roy goes out and as a shell of his old self steals the first round from a cautious, somewhat hesitant Tarver. He scored with flurries, but neither the power nor the speed are evident. He wins the round nevertheless.

              Things change quickly in the next stanza, possibly prompted by the exchange between Tarver and his trainer Buddy McGirt. Following the first round McGirt tells Tarver that he is giving Roy too much respect, Tarver replies don't use that word around here, and McGirt ends it by saying, "then go and get yours."

              Unlike Vernon Forrest who received a similar message against Mayorga but got the beatdown of a lifetime instead of respect, Antonio Tarver stalked his man, and counterpunching off a Jones right to his chest, Tonio misses with a right cross, then delivers a crushing left hook to the jaw of Mr. Pound for Pound No More... Only 1:44 seconds had transpired in the round, and Roy was flat on his back, attempting to get up, only to fall on his face, attempting to get up again, beating the count but clearly hurt. Referee Nady waved him off, getting no argument from Jones or his corner, and we watched in disbelief as the untouchable Roy Jones Jr. struggled to make it to his corner, on very unsteady legs, defeated soundly and in embarrassing fashion by Antonio 'Magic Man' Tarver.

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              • big paulie
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                #77
                Originally posted by JoeCalzaghe
                Styles make fights Paulie, styles make fights...
                Very basic input as usual.......i'm looking forward to the day we can discuss other fighters on other threads.................your mum will give you a right bollocking if she finds out your talking smack instead of revising for your mock exams!

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by divad
                  i never said that u said he was the greatest of all time

                  i just dont think he would have got away with as much as he did if he had been fighting better calibre oposition
                  My bad.

                  You know what I don't understand? Why do people say Roy should have faught Gerald MCclellan? He suffered career ending eye injury in 95. How was Roy going to fight him? Roy just become a big star in 94 when he beat Toney.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by divad
                    a bit like what u do to Naz Cause Barrera beat him
                    ha ha, you really do amuse me. Roy was a world champion before anyone had even heard of Hamed and he was a world champion after Hamed dissapeard, as was Barrera......lets put it in perspective my man

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                      #80
                      McClellan would have given Roy all kind's of trouble IMO he already beat him in the Ameteur's McClellan had a great chin aswell as a thunderous punch he was tall & rangey aswell he liked to use the jab before he fell in love with his power aswell

                      have to say though his defence was awfull

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