Roy Jones JR is the most overated Fighter ever

[moofo]

I pointed out his 3 best wins - I'd say a good portion of the champs he beat were on top of their game or, at the very least, close to it. I mean, do these guys just "automatically" get better after losing to Roy? Like Hopkins? Woods? Julio Gonzalez? Was John Ruiz past-it? And isn't it fair to say that James Toney - ranked #2 pound for pound, with a 44-0 record was in his prime? What are you saying?

Hopkins was green.
Toney was weight drained and lost to Griffin straight after Roy.
He never faced the Real LHW champ in Dariusz Michalczewski.
Ruiz was the worst HW titlist at the time and the true HW champ was Lennox Lewis so that belt means little.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah that was a good win in ****in 1993. lol Only fighter ever who still milks a win from 1993. Even after he ducked a Hopkins and Toney rematch for a decade. Fighting since 89 and only has 2 solids wins and one over a very green Hopkins.

Sure, because you're supposed to beat all-time greats every six months.

I mean, from 1993 going Jones did nothing but move UP a divison to fight arguably the best fighter in the world, move up again and unify the light heavyweight division, defend his title 11 times and then beat a top 5 heavyweight.

Yeah, absolutely nothing. And sure, we were ALL clamoring for that Toney rematch, seeing how competitive the first one was.

[mrpain81]

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99 % of boxers can take all the steroids they want, they won't ever be able to do what Jones could do.


What beat mediocre fighters and face elite guys past their best or before their best or possibly weight issues?

Roy Jones - Fighter of the 90's - Boxing Writers Association of America

guess you know alot more then those guys.

[moofo]

Hopkins turned pro before Jones

Jones was younger then Hopkins

Hopkins had more pro bouts then Jones

It Isnt Jones Fault that Toney can't stay away from the buffet lines.


You can argue anybody's career

Since your calling Hopkins "Bore-hard" It must mean your a fan of Calzaghe. A fighter alot of people say never beat any prime fighters, now that he beat Kessler people might argue that Mikkel hurt his hand in training. Is that Calzaghe's fault? Lets not nit pick.

I'm not a fan of Calzaghe actually so learn not to assume.
Jones had a stellar amateur career and was robbed of Gold in the Olympics.
Bernard never had that background as far as I remember.
So I think you may agree Roy had much more experience really.

[Dynamite Kid]

Hopkins turned pro before Jones

Jones was younger then Hopkins

Hopkins had more pro bouts then Jones

It Isnt Jones Fault that Toney can't stay away from the buffet lines.


You can argue anybody's career

Since your calling Hopkins "Bore-hard" It must mean your a fan of Calzaghe. A fighter alot of people say never beat any prime fighters, now that he beat Kessler people might argue that Mikkel hurt his hand in training. Is that Calzaghe's fault? Lets not nit pick.

Calzaghe & Roy are both Overated IMO

Debatable who is more Overated cause while Roy has achieved more he has been Ko'd twice in devestating fashion which only leaves question mark's over his reluctance to fight certain fighter's when he was in his prime & his willingness to fight the Telasco ,Hall ,Lucas,Kelly of the world

[moofo]

Sure, because you're supposed to beat all-time greats every six months.

I mean, from 1993 going Jones did nothing but move UP a divison to fight arguably the best fighter in the world, move up again and unify the light heavyweight division, defend his title 11 times and then beat a top 5 heavyweight.

Yeah, absolutely nothing. And sure, we were ALL clamoring for that Toney rematch, seeing how competitive the first one was.

Why didn't he fight Dariusz Michalczewski?

[IMDAZED]

Hopkins was green.

How do you know this? I mean...did he look green after that fight?

Toney was weight drained and lost to Griffin straight after Roy.

Weight drained? He fought at 168 only four months earlier and gave one of the best performances of his career. Did he just eat himself out of shape in that time--after signing to fight Roy? Should we use Roy's injured right hand as an excuse to as to why he didn't KO Toney?

And what makes losing to Griffin proof he was weight drained? Was Jones weight drained when he lost to Griffin too?

He never faced the Real LHW champ in Dariusz Michalczewski.

True. Run down the list of all-time greats and you'll find fighters they didn't fight, that they should have (ask Mike McCallum, or Aaron Pryor). Doesn't take away from what they DID accomplish.

Ruiz was the worst HW titlist at the time and the true HW champ was Lennox Lewis so that belt means little.

I can think of several champs worse than Ruiz but that's not the point. The point is Jones soundly outboxed a top 5 heavyweight. That's no small feat, especially considering where he came from.

[IMDAZED]

Why didn't he fight Dariusz Michalczewski?

Who knows? Why didn't Darius fight Roy? Jones was the shot-caller and he wasn't willing to fight overseas. Darius wasn't either. Who's to blame?

[mrpain81]

Hopkins was green.
Toney was weight drained and lost to Griffin straight after Roy.
He never faced the Real LHW champ in Dariusz Michalczewski.
Ruiz was the worst HW titlist at the time and the true HW champ was Lennox Lewis so that belt means little.

Excuses Excuses....

Dariusz got Tooled by Julio Gonzales - Jones made Gonzales look like a Bum..

It's obvious you have a baised hate towards Roy Jones, I was never even a fan. Saying that, Im not going to deny he was the best fighter of his generation.

[moofo]

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Roy Jones - Fighter of the 90's - Boxing Writers Association of America

guess you know alot more then those guys.

I'm sure a lot of them would question why Roy chose to fight certain fighters and avoid others.
Whether they voted for him or not.
And I'm sure that the Steroid business may well hav altered history had it been found sooner.
I enjoyed watching Roy fight but a lot of times it was like watching a Tiger fighting a dog.
Some of those dogs had no right to be in the ring with him and undoubtedly made Roy look so good.