Roy Jones JR is the most overated Fighter ever

[Technical_Skill]

PS. Steriods do not increase boxing talent, but that doesnt mean they do not give a fighter an advantage.

what is the point in differenciating between the 2 if they enhance chances of winning end of

This is what i have said all along,

Steriods do not increase boxing talent, therefore if you judge roy jones based on his talent, you probably wouldnt place such a value on his failed test.

[flat1985]

What the ****, you just spent the last 20 posts, trying to deny what i said, now you finally understand?

I havent seen anything this pitiful since they put down that sick dog on animal hospital.

PS. you are as funny as cancer

[moofo]

I'm still waiting for someone to - based on what I wrote above - tell me WHERE exactly Jones should be places and HOW he's overrated?

Who did he fight in their prime and in tip-top condition?
Lets remember Bore-hard was only a 3 year pro and not the finished article at the time of their fight for starters.
And at the time nobody knew how Hopkins career would pan out.
Tell me who else Roy beat at the top of their game in their prime , not struggling with weight etc...

[Dynamite Kid]

This is what i have said all along,

Steriods do not increase boxing talent, therefore if you judge roy jones based on his talent, you probably wouldnt place such a value on his failed test.

yeah makes sense if u are talented & test positive dismiss it but if u are a bum & take them it's obvious u are seeking more of an advantage than the man who has natural skill etc

either way it is illeagal & cheating seeking an unfair advantage

[IMDAZED]

Who did he fight in their prime and in tip-top condition?
Lets remember Bore-hard was only a 3 year pro and not the finished article at the time of their fight for starters.
And at the time nobody knew how Hopkins career would pan out.
Tell me who else Roy beat at the top of their game in their prime , not struggling with weight etc...

I pointed out his 3 best wins - I'd say a good portion of the champs he beat were on top of their game or, at the very least, close to it. I mean, do these guys just "automatically" get better after losing to Roy? Like Hopkins? Woods? Julio Gonzalez? Was John Ruiz past-it? And isn't it fair to say that James Toney - ranked #2 pound for pound, with a 44-0 record was in his prime? What are you saying?

[moofo]

[QUOTE=mrpain81;3038896]
99 % of boxers can take all the steroids they want, they won't ever be able to do what Jones could do.


What beat mediocre fighters and face elite guys past their best or before their best or possibly weight issues?

[Technical_Skill]

yeah makes sense if u are talented & test positive dismiss it but if u are a bum & take them it's obvious u are seeking more of an advantage than the man who has natural skill etc

either way it is illeagal & cheating seeking an unfair advantage

I havent said it wasnt illegal, what im saying is people shouldnt judge Roy Jones's entire career and achievements on a failed test, the man had amazing natural talent.

[Darkstar]

I don't know how you can overrate Roy Jones Jr.

What I've seen so far in these threads are attempts at minimizing his accomplishments - that's a pretty exhausting exercise when trying to downplay a fighter who began at 154 and ended his pound for pound reign by beating a top 5 HW. An eight-time champ who won titles in four divisions, made 18 defenses, barely lost a round for nearly a decade and beat 19 past or present world champions, including:

A Hall of Famer and near-ATG in James Toney, when Toney was at the absolute height of his powers. Some will argue that "Lights Out" was weight-drained; I'd argue that's been the case in every single one of his bouts up until HW. It was only an excuse when Jones handed him his ass. I mean, wasn't it Toney who, just four months before fighting Jones, looked absolutely masterful stopping Prince Charles Williams? No weight problem there? And there wasn't any weight problem when he went from 226 to 190 in order to fight Vasily Jirov. Perhaps Jones was just...that good?

A fellow ATG in Bernard Hopkins. Some will say that Hopkins was green...funny how he wouldn't lose again for 12 years (if you want to count the losses to Taylor), holding on to a title Jones LEFT for him. Perhaps Jones was just...that good?

HW John Ruiz, who he skipped a division for and STILL gave up 25lbs. How ridiculous is that? Going from fighting 175lbers to fighting one 50lbs. bigger? That's like Pretty Boy Floyd beating a top five cruiser.

Oh, and save for a blip against Montell Griffen, he pretty much waxed every other fighter he fought EASY. And that included some good CHAMPIONS (NINETEEN of them, to be exact), plenty of contenders and yes, some BUMS too. Like any other ATG did.

And finally, closing in on 35, he lost. Newsflash: This also happened to most ATG's. Just ask Sugar Ray Leonard. And it doesn't erase the ridiculous accomplishments he already notched under his belt.

It's almost laughable to listen to people on this board cry, "see, I told you so!" after waiting TEN YEARS for it to happen. Seriously...overrated? You're barking up the wrong tree.

Yeah that was a good win in ****in 1993. lol Only fighter ever who still milks a win from 1993. Even after he ducked a Hopkins and Toney rematch for a decade. Fighting since 89 and only has 2 solids wins and one over a very green Hopkins.

[mrpain81]

Who did he fight in their prime and in tip-top condition?
Lets remember Bore-hard was only a 3 year pro and not the finished article at the time of their fight for starters.
And at the time nobody knew how Hopkins career would pan out.
Tell me who else Roy beat at the top of their game in their prime , not struggling with weight etc...

Hopkins turned pro before Jones

Jones was younger then Hopkins

Hopkins had more pro bouts then Jones

It Isnt Jones Fault that Toney can't stay away from the buffet lines.


You can argue anybody's career

Since your calling Hopkins "Bore-hard" It must mean your a fan of Calzaghe. A fighter alot of people say never beat any prime fighters, now that he beat Kessler people might argue that Mikkel hurt his hand in training. Is that Calzaghe's fault? Lets not nit pick.

[Dynamite Kid]

I havent said it wasnt illegal, what im saying is people shouldnt judge Roy Jones's entire career and achievements on a failed test, the man had amazing natural talent.

Im not doing that but u can see why some people have lost respect for him in that instance ,not me personally im just trying to point out that drug's is cheating & no matter how talented u are it does enhance your chances of winning no matter how talented u are in the 1st place