Roy Jones: "Hopkins is Not Better Than Me"

[canderous82]

Because Pavlik has to move up two weights and would IMO be an easy opponent for Joe.

You need more than a big punch to beat Calzaghe.

[SkillspayBills]

The problem with that is the argument about what matters more. A, HONESTLY short reign for a guy who WAS unbeatable for a while. Or a guy who was NEVER unbeatable, but dominated a division (weak or not) and has had a much better career in the long run.

To me, Hopkins has had the better career. The reason I say that is because Hopkins and Toney, with a hint of Ruiz for good measure, are Jones' career. He SLIGHTLY dominated 175, but that's also where his downfall came.

The reason I like Hopkins over Jones is due to consistency, in the sense that Hopkins made many successful defenses, beat some high quality names, continues to excell now and didn't look HORRIBLE against Jones. Neither was in their primes for that fight, so I don't bring that argument up, what I will say is that Hopkins seems to have had a longer prime than Jones did, too. He's still seems to be faded. Jones, at a YOUNGER age, has FADED. He could prove that wrong, but I doubt it.

And if Hopkins beats Calzaghe somehow. Forget it.

Hopkins > Jones, FOREVER, if that happens.

Ummm Bhops biggest wins are against whom again? Jones was near the upper echelon of the p4p list for the better part of 15 years. Jones>Hopkins everyday and twice on Tuesday just in case it is a leap year.

[THe TRiNiTY]

If there's any justification for my vagueness on this topic here.

I point to Joe Calzaghe's P4P rating as a fighter. It's clear that he lacks the defining wins outside of the Lacy/Kessler affairs but it must be the fashion in which he beats his opponents that makes people rate him that high.

I personally don't think he's a top 5 P4P fighter but you get my drift.

The way I would justify his standing at this moment is due to how he beat people and for how long he has been consistently winning. Now finally in essentially, total control of a division at the tail end of his career. I give him credit for that. Top 10, maybe AT number 5 for mem though. Not the 3 spot people got him at. I don't see that, yet.

I get what you're saying though. I was just giving another idea/angle on his high standings.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Ummm Bhops biggest wins are against whom again? Jones was near the upper echelon of the p4p list for the better part of 15 years. Jones>Hopkins everyday and twice on Tuesday just in case it is a leap year.

OKay.. So, De La Hoya, Trinidad (who both STEPPED UP, Hopkins didn't call them out. You can't conplain about this as a Jones fan. Considering HE did the same thing they tried to do. He just did it against a lesser champion). He also looked decent against Roy, and also has had the longevity that Jones lacks. He's beaten more TRUE contenders around his weight and at 158 years old, will fight a guy from overseas. You know, something Roy never could find the balls to do, with a guy like Darius Michalczewski (sp?).

[HappyBoxingFan]

Pavlik is fighting his next fight at 166 and Calzaghe fought every fight at 168, no?
So, whatcha saying is that the match wouldn't be competitive and therefore, you do not want to see it. What match would be more competitive?

[Run]

The way I would justify his standing at this moment is due to how he beat people and for how long he has been consistently winning. Now finally in essentially, total control of a division at the tail end of his career. I give him credit for that. Top 10, maybe AT number 5 for mem though. Not the 3 spot people got him at. I don't see that, yet.

I get what you're saying though. I was just giving another idea/angle on his high standings.

See on paper we argue all day (this forum's collective body) about fighters in contrast. But see to me it's hard to say "well yeah he's a better fighter than Roy. he beat X and Y". Because to me.....that sounds ****ing weird.

How are you going to be a better fighter than Roy Jones Jr? Like in a P4P sense? Have a better chin or be able to take a better punch?



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[canderous82]

Pavlik is fighting his next fight at 166 and Calzaghe fought every fight at 168, no?
So, whatcha saying is that the match wouldn't be competitive and therefore, you do not want to see it. What match would be more competitive?

Joe has left the Super Middleweight division so Kelly would have to become a Light Heavyweight just to make the fight which would be a very tough thing to do in 1 year.

I would like to see Joe fight either Dawson, RJJ or Clinton Woods if the whole US adventure doesn't work out, barely any Americans even like Calzaghe so he should not be fighting to empty crowds when he could be selling out any stadium in Britain.

[Parody]

Yeah no Hopkins is not a better fighter than Roy. That's ridiculous.

I mean the same master boxer counter puncher MW champ looks completely robotic when in the ring with him. Roy makes guys like Toney and Bhop look average when he comes to fight. And let's get realistic that's just the truth.

Ditto.

Beaten 17 World Champions, 4 HOF Fighters , 4 Weight Champion. Roy in his Prime was a freak.

Hopkins
Toney
Hill
McCallum

[THe TRiNiTY]

See on paper we argue all day (this forum's collective body) about fighters in contrast. But see to me it's hard to say "well yeah he's a better fighter than Roy. he beat X and Y". Because to me.....that sounds ****ing weird.

How are you going to be a better fighter than Roy Jones Jr? Like in a P4P sense? Have a better chin or be able to take a better punch?

Longevity. Consistency. I'd go with those, in the sense that Roy seemed to lack those when they came up. He seemed to fade, truly when his athleticism faded. Which makes him unique and a GREAT athlete. It'd made him a GREAT looking fighter, until those things faded and turned him into a fading athlete and areally good and then pretty good boxer. To me. Not taking away from him, or I don't mean to seem like I'm taking away to sell him short. I just mean, that's how one could argue that they are better than him at this moment. In the long run, it's hard to tell at this point.

[PATO 1]

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