Roy Jones: "Hopkins is Not Better Than Me"

[THe TRiNiTY]

It wasn't a great showing but Roy clearly won the bout. Maybe I am grasping at straws but I still believe Roy has enough left to make some noise before he hangs them up.

I think you are grasping at straws. Though, I gotta admit. I woudl like to see a comeback from him. It'd prove that he is an all-time great. In the sense that the great ones have a comeback in them. Not all, but some.

I've never thought Jones was all that great, definitely not the best fight ever. Nonetheless, I'd think alot more highly of him if he could pull some things off.

[moofo]

The doubters are why he continues to fight. They say he has nothing left so he is out there to prove something. Time will tell if he will fall flat on his face or if he will rebound again. I for one will be waiting in anticipation.

Fair enough.
But I thought you had more sense to be honest.
As far as I can see Roy is finished and too old to regain what he had.
This is what happens to all the greats...they carry on thinking they can do the last waltz and inevitably end up embarrassing themselves or getting hurt.
Tyson , Holyfield & Roy should hang them up for their own good.(Hopefully Tyson's comeback is just a rumour).
This is one thing I admired about Lennox Lewis.
He knew when to call it a day whether the Vitali nuthuggers like it or not.
He had done everything he could in his era and frankly Vitali should have been thinking about taking the Crown over and his own legacy.

[TheGreatA]

Roy Jones is as shot as a shot fighter can be, he isn't a draw, nobody cares about a fight with him and beating him does NOTHING for anyone.

I guess the same people who think RJJ still has it are the ones saying Tyson could still destroy the HW division if he just got motivated.

RJJ is a near 40 YEAR OLD MAN and the style he used to fight with is a style of a 20 year old man in his physical prime.

Jones right now is an old boxer who lays on the ropes because his legs aren't there, holds his hands high and throws 20-30 punches a round. Jones is very cautious so he won't make a mistake (and get knocked out) and he would get outworked by a young fighter (almost got outworked by Hanshaw already).

He has some of his old handspeed and flash but only for 1 round of a 12 round fight.

[moofo]

Yeah no Hopkins is not a better fighter than Roy. That's ridiculous.

I mean the same master boxer counter puncher MW champ looks completely robotic when in the ring with him. Roy makes guys like Toney and Bhop look average when he comes to fight. And let's get realistic that's just the truth.

WAS the truth about 10 years ago.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Yeah no Hopkins is not a better fighter than Roy. That's ridiculous.

I mean the same master boxer counter puncher MW champ looks completely robotic when in the ring with him. Roy makes guys like Toney and Bhop look average when he comes to fight. And let's get realistic that's just the truth.

The problem with that is the argument about what matters more. A, HONESTLY short reign for a guy who WAS unbeatable for a while. Or a guy who was NEVER unbeatable, but dominated a division (weak or not) and has had a much better career in the long run.

To me, Hopkins has had the better career. The reason I say that is because Hopkins and Toney, with a hint of Ruiz for good measure, are Jones' career. He SLIGHTLY dominated 175, but that's also where his downfall came.

The reason I like Hopkins over Jones is due to consistency, in the sense that Hopkins made many successful defenses, beat some high quality names, continues to excell now and didn't look HORRIBLE against Jones. Neither was in their primes for that fight, so I don't bring that argument up, what I will say is that Hopkins seems to have had a longer prime than Jones did, too. He's still seems to be faded. Jones, at a YOUNGER age, has FADED. He could prove that wrong, but I doubt it.

And if Hopkins beats Calzaghe somehow. Forget it.

Hopkins > Jones, FOREVER, if that happens.

[HappyBoxingFan]

Listen here you ******ed infants. Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior are dinosaurs. Let's just put them to bed. This Hopkins/Calzaghe thing is a joke. But the real joke will be on us when Calzaghe is given the validation he wants by pointing a 43-year-old man. I love Hopkins. But it's not 1998. This is so ******.

I hope Calzaghe supporters can put pressure on their man to fight the winner of Pavlik/Taylor. How great an event would that fight be?

Also. Side point. What's the deal with Mayweather and Calzaghe fans saying that their fighters have done enough? Are you people actually fans? Don't you want to see them fight? If you're a Mayweather fan, how could you possibly not want to see Mayweather/Cotto. If you're a Calzaghe fan, how could you possibly not want to see Calzaghe/Pavlik? You'd have to be demented.

[Run]

The problem with that is the argument about what matters more. A, HONESTLY short reign for a guy who WAS unbeatable for a while. Or a guy who was NEVER unbeatable, but dominated a division (weak or not) and has had a much better career in the long run.

To me, Hopkins has had the better career. The reason I say that is because Hopkins and Toney, with a hint of Ruiz for good measure, are Jones' career. He SLIGHTLY dominated 175, but that's also where his downfall came.

The reason I like Hopkins over Jones is due to consistency, in the sense that Hopkins made many successful defenses, beat some high quality names, continues to excell now and didn't look HORRIBLE against Jones. Neither was in their primes for that fight, so I don't bring that argument up, what I will say is that Hopkins seems to have had a longer prime than Jones did, too. He's still seems to be faded. Jones, at a YOUNGER age, has FADED. He could prove that wrong, but I doubt it.

And if Hopkins beats Calzaghe somehow. Forget it.

Hopkins > Jones, FOREVER, if that happens.

Understood. Legacy wise........up for debate. Nard has the bonus wins.

But I'm referring to what I see in the respective fighter's qualities. Roy's natural athleticism, reflexes, punching coordination, timing and power all make him a better fighter than Bernard Hopkins.

Ok and I'm referring to Roy a while ago. Not "Superman".



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[Run]

WAS the truth about 10 years ago.

Yeah I don't know the deal here.

Of course Roy is a shell of his former self and might lose to Hopkins today.



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[THe TRiNiTY]

Understood. Legacy wise........up for debate. Nard has the bonus wins.

But I'm referring to what I see in the respective fighter's qualities. Roy's natural athleticism, reflexes, punching coordination, timing and power all make him a better fighter than Bernard Hopkins.

Ok and I'm referring to Roy a while ago. Not "Superman".

I can agree with that opinion being valid, possibly. Fair enough.

[Run]

I can agree with that opinion being valid, possibly. Fair enough.

If there's any justification for my vagueness on this topic here.

I point to Joe Calzaghe's P4P rating as a fighter. It's clear that he lacks the defining wins outside of the Lacy/Kessler affairs but it must be the fashion in which he beats his opponents that makes people rate him that high.

I personally don't think he's a top 5 P4P fighter but you get my drift.

I think Roy beat solid competition but yeah, he lacked some defining wins. However you can see how good he is.



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