Wladamir Klitchko runs the gauntlet

[Dynamite Kid]

If you want to see picture perfect cutting down the ring look at Liston's fights against the taller Cleveland Williams whom Liston outjabs and cuts down like a tree. Or how about the Patterson fights.

Liston was one of the BEST at cutting off the ring but the combination of his age and lack of stamina at that point of his career (he hadn't gone past the first round in a LONG time) with the fact that Ali was perhaps the fastest and toughest heavyweight of all time made him look foolish.

And still, Liston beat Ali from ringpost to ringpost in that round he was supposedly 'blinded' in and made him want to quit.

Liston with all of his impressive KO's didn't think anyone could go past the first few rounds with him, didn't train for that fight like he should have.
When Ali started to come back after the onslaught of punches unleashed by Liston in the rounds Ali was supposedly blind in, he decided to quit and train for the rematch that was promised to him much harder.

We all know what happened in that fight.

Seriously if you want to judge Liston from that one match perhaps you should judge Wladimir only from his fights against Sanders or Roy Jones from his fights against Tarver.

OMG Clevland Williams he had awsome foot movement did'nt he LOL he stood in front of Ali & nevers lipped 1 punch he eat every punch Ali threw

the trouble with people like Liston is he could nt throw a jab simultaneously whole stepping foward thats why he hit thin air against Ali

good Boxer my arse LOL

[TheGreatA]

You seriously underestimate both Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston.

If the responses are going to be like LOLZ HE CANT THROW JABZ WHEN HE MOVIN and THE GUYZ HE FOUGH WERE BUMZ I don't really feel the need to prove myself.

[Dynamite Kid]

You seriously underestimate both Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston.

i think Ali was great he had a style that the likes of Liston ,Clevland Williams ,etc could nt deal with

[TheGreatA]

i think Ali was great he had a style that the likes of Liston ,Clevland Williams ,etc could nt deal with

Yes he did now why does this make those two guys bums? Because they couldn't beat the best heavyweight of all time when they weren't even in their prime?

[Dynamite Kid]

If Ali had stood infront of Williams or Liston they would have had their successes however that just tells u about their inhability to beat a moving target who had a good chin & lightning hands & who had fluency in his movement

[Ryn0]

Yea, and Wlad is stronger than most if not all of those fighters, other than maybe Tua. I'm not saying Lewis has a weak chin, it's better than people think, but like I said, he kept his hands too low too often, and believe me if Wlad caught him like Briggs did, he would finish the fight.

wasn't that the pre-steward version of lewis? if so then that isn't a prime lennox

[Dynamite Kid]

Yes he did now why does this make those two guys bums? Because they couldn't beat the best heavyweight of all time when they weren't even in their prime?

it how uncompetitive they were ,they were both dominated thoroughly

[TheGreatA]

If Ali had stood infront of Williams or Liston they would have had their successes however that just tells u about their inhability to beat a moving target who had a good chin & lightning hands & who had fluency in his movement

And can you tell me ANY OTHER heavyweight except Ali who had all that?
Maybe Holmes, that's about it. That's why they're not bums.

it how uncompetitive they were ,they were both dominated thoroughly

I'm sure they could've both given it a better try if they were in their prime.

For your information Williams had been shot before the fight and was at his best in the 50's anyway but it was still a good win for Ali.
Ali was beat up around the ring when he supposedly became 'blind' but he was tough and refused to give up even though he wanted to.
Ali credits Liston as the scariest man he has ever faced.

Liston was at his best in the 50's as well but was very competitive in the 60's for the first few rounds. He did give Ali a fight, it wasn't that uncompetitive.

[Dynamite Kid]

And can you tell me ANY OTHER heavyweight except Ali who had all that?
Maybe Holmes, that's about it. That's why they're not bums.

Mike Tyson is technically far superior to Williams & Liston as was Holyfield

[TheGreatA]

Mike Tyson is technically far superior to Williams & Liston as was Holyfield

Tyson in his prime was very good at his style but it's not the style to beat Liston, he would have to come at Liston and eat the jab because of Liston's reach.
Not saying he couldn't beat Liston but I'm not sure if he would.

Holyfield might be technically superior but he is no Ali, he would brawl with both and put himself into risk.

The styles both Tyson & Holyfield use are different from Ali's.