Wladamir Klitchko runs the gauntlet

[revs1227]

had 2 make sum changes
heres wat i think

Muhammad Ali-------------Ali by Dec
Joe Louis-----------------Wlad K.O.
Larry Holmes-------------Holmes TKO
Mike Tyson--------------mike tko
George Foreman---------Foreman TKO
Joe Frazier--------------Wlad TKO
Ken Norton--------------Wlad TKO
Sonny Liston------------Wad TKO
Rocky Marciano---------rocky KO
Jack Dempsey-----------Wlad TKO
Jack Johnson------------Wlad TKO
Evander Holyfield---------Wlad Dec
Lennox Lewis------------wald dec/tko
Archie Moore------------Wlad TKO

[TheGreatA]

Looking at this thread has made me realize just how underrated Sonny Liston is as a top heavyweight.

[beez721]

I agree, but also feel Wlad has not faced anyone like Marciano. He would be punching awkardly and down which would not help his power, while Marciano would have ridiculous leverage from punching up at Wlad.
To Ironside, yes I am. Wlad hits very hard but I feel that Shavers, Foreman, Marciano, Tyson, Baer, Louis, Liston, Dempsey, and others hit harder.

come on now. marciano was great lb for lb but he was just much much too small for guys like lewis and the klits. thats just giving away too much size and strength. there's only so much heart can overcome

[WLAD OWNS]

The 2007 Wladimir Klitschko is capable of beating any heavyweight from any era...the toughest fight for Wlad would be George Foreman IMO.

[Dynamite Kid]

Looking at this thread has made me realize just how underrated Sonny Liston is as a top heavyweight.

Sonny Liston was underrated ,not IMO he was'nt the guy pulled his shoulder out trying to hit Ali he did 'nt have the knowledge to cut the ring down so he prceeded to hit thin air & pull his shouler out .he was a puncher but that was it

[Jim Jeffries]

Sonny Liston was underrated ,not IMO he was'nt the guy pulled his shoulder out trying to hit Ali he did 'nt have the knowledge to cut the ring down so he prceeded to hit thin air & pull his shouler out .he was a puncher but that was it

Plus I think Ali got in his head so bad that instead of using his pretty decent jab more, he tried killing Ali with almost every punch. I personally pick Liston and Foreman as the two guys most likely to put prime Tyson to sleep, but that's just me.

As for the thread, it's tough to tell. In about the middle of 06, I think it was, Wlad wasn't even picked as the best HW out there by hardly anyone. Liakhovich was, based mostly on his performance against Brewster. Since then, Wlad has looked very impressive, and his career might turn out like Lennox's was where he was better in his 30's than he was in his 20's. So I would be a lot more equipped to answer this question in another 4 years or so.

[TheGreatA]

Sonny Liston was underrated ,not IMO he was'nt the guy pulled his shoulder out trying to hit Ali he did 'nt have the knowledge to cut the ring down so he prceeded to hit thin air & pull his shouler out .he was a puncher but that was it

Are you kidding me? Liston CLEANED out the heavyweight division, beat everyone there was to beat. When Ali met him, Liston was far past his best. Liston was a lot older than he said he was, probably 35.

Liston was a boxer-puncher with a great jab and good boxing technique.
His physical attributes are more than most heavyweight's can handle, his reach was abnormal (same as Lennox's), his chin was made of iron (Foreman said Liston didn't seem to feel his punches when they sparred) and his fists were like bricks (largest of all until Valuev).

The only thing he may lack is 'heart' but he certainly didn't lack that when he went 8 rounds with a broken jaw.

When he met Ali he was slower, older and hadn't gone past the first round for a long time. We all know Ali is almost impossible to knock out and at that point of his career almost impossible to catch and Liston still almost made him quit in the mid rounds (people say he cheated and blinded Ali).

Liston is not the best of all time but still a top 10 HW.

[Brockton Lip]

come on now. marciano was great lb for lb but he was just much much too small for guys like lewis and the klits. thats just giving away too much size and strength. there's only so much heart can overcome

Power is power, regardless of size. Corrie Sanders and Brewster did it, Marciano certainly could. Size is too much of an issue, especially considering Rocky worked extremely hard to get to his weight in the 180's. Many heavyweights today, if they did what Rocky did, I would imagine they'd be similar in weight.

[Dynamite Kid]

Are you kidding me? Liston CLEANED out the heavyweight division, beat everyone there was to beat. When Ali met him, Liston was far past his best. Liston was a lot older than he said he was, probably 35.

Liston was a boxer-puncher with a great jab and good boxing technique.
His physical attributes are more than most heavyweight's can handle, his reach was abnormal (same as Lennox's), his chin was made of iron (Foreman said Liston didn't seem to feel his punches when they sparred) and his fists were like bricks (largest of all until Valuev).

The only thing he may lack is 'heart' but he certainly didn't lack that when he went 8 rounds with a broken jaw.

When he met Ali he was slower, older and hadn't gone past the first round for a long time. We all know Ali is almost impossible to knock out and at that point of his career almost impossible to catch and Liston still almost made him quit in the mid rounds (people say he cheated and blinded Ali).

Liston is not the best of all time but still a top 10 HW.

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great jab and good boxing technique.

if that was the case why was he punching thin air & not able too cut the ring down ,great Boxers know how to cut the ring down & the certainly dont punch thin air no matter what age they are

[TheGreatA]

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great jab and good boxing technique.

if that was the case why was he punching thin air & not able too cut the ring down ,great Boxers know how to cut the ring down & the certainly dont punch thin air no matter what age they are

If you want to see picture perfect cutting down the ring look at Liston's fights against the taller Cleveland Williams whom Liston outjabs and cuts down like a tree. Or how about the Patterson fights.

Liston was one of the BEST at cutting off the ring but the combination of his age and lack of stamina at that point of his career (he hadn't gone past the first round in a LONG time) combined with the fact that Ali was perhaps the fastest and toughest heavyweight of all time made him look foolish.

And still, Liston beat Ali from ringpost to ringpost in that round he was supposedly 'blinded' in and made him want to quit.

Liston with all of his impressive KO's didn't think anyone could go past the first few rounds with him, didn't train for that fight like he should have.
When Ali started to come back after the onslaught of punches unleashed by Liston in the rounds Ali was supposedly blind in, he decided to quit and train for the rematch that was promised to him much harder.

We all know what happened in that fight.

Seriously if you want to judge Liston from that one match perhaps you should judge Wladimir only from his fights against Sanders or Roy Jones from his fights against Tarver.