Calzaghe is overrated

[RichCCFC]

Thread started by a guy that thought Paul Williams was the next Tommy Hearns and thinks Roy Jones Jr could easily still clean out the LHW division.

You also might want to add the guy has a UFC fighter in his avatar and says Lewis is 100% Canadian.

[FRKO]

Calzaghe will be the best fighter Hopkins has ever fought (Roy was green at the time).

Yeah, wasn't it Roy's 21st fight or something? With respect to Hops, though, he'd not had so many fights at that point either.

[Clegg]

KSwizzy, how highly do you rate Mike Tyson?

Many people put him in the top 10 heavyweights ever, but his standard of opposition isn't particularly impressive. The same is true of many boxers who are considered ATG.

Ali fought during the best heavyweight era, and Robinson fought some great opponents at welterweight and middleweight. But there are a lot of fighters who didn't do anything on that level. We still consider them great because they looked very good against the best opposition available.

There are people with better records than Marciano who are not rated as highly as him. A fighter who has never lost tends to get rated highly, even if he hasn't beaten an ATG. An example of this is how some people claim that Ike could be the undisputed heavyweight champion right now if he'd stayed out of trouble.

The people who consider Calzaghe a great fighter might be wrong, but they aren't going against boxing tradition in rating someone highly despite a lack of ATG fighters on his record.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Calzaghe is way overrated. He has yet to beat an elite boxer. How is he rated in the top 2 or 3 p4p? What has he done? I mean if he is so good, why hasn't he fought a great fighter. Kessler is the best he's fought and Kessler is barely an above average boxer. I'm not saying that Calzaghe is bad, but one of the best p4p? I don't think he belongs in the top 10 even. If he gets into the ring with Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, or Wright and beats either one of them, than he belongs, otherwise, he is way too overrated.

Hey men r u serious. Calzaghe is not overrated, he have win every fight since his amateur days. He have not fight any household names but he have beat very serious opositon like eubank,Manfredo,Lacy and Kessler. And by the way his being calling out Roy Jones and Hopkis years ago, is not he's fault that they were doing what Floyd is doing with Cotto, ducking. Now since hopkins is about to retire, he is going for the bigger pay day, that is the only reason he will fight Calzaghe. i dont take anything away from Hopkins, because is tough to be 43 and still be a contender, but Calzaghe is far too good, too fast,too aggresive and too young for Hopkins.Sorry i like Hopkins but Calzaghe will beat him with ease!

[FRKO]

KSwizzy, how highly do you rate Mike Tyson?

Many people put him in the top 10 heavyweights ever, but his standard of opposition isn't particularly impressive. The same is true of many boxers who are considered ATG.

Ali fought during the best heavyweight era, and Robinson fought some great opponents at welterweight and middleweight. But there are a lot of fighters who didn't do anything on that level. We still consider them great because they looked very good against the best opposition available.

There are people with better records than Marciano who are not rated as highly as him. A fighter who has never lost tends to get rated highly, even if he hasn't beaten an ATG. An example of this is how some people claim that Ike could be the undisputed heavyweight champion right now if he'd stayed out of trouble.

The people who consider Calzaghe a great fighter might be wrong, but they aren't going against boxing tradition in rating someone highly despite a lack of ATG fighters on his record.

Good post. Maybe people would be more impressed with Calzaghe if he had beaten some greats, but only welter's or bloated junior middle's.

[FRKO]

Hey men r u serious. Calzaghe is not overrated, he have win every fight since his amateur days. He have not fight any household names but he have beat very serious opositon like eubank,Manfredo,Lacy and Kessler. And by the way his being calling out Roy Jones and Hopkis years ago, is not he's fault that they were doing what Floyd is doing with Cotto, ducking. Now since hopkins is about to retire, he is going for the bigger pay day, that is the only reason he will fight Calzaghe. i dont take anything away from Hopkins, because is tough to be 43 and still be a contender, but Calzaghe is far too good, too fast,too aggresive and too young for Hopkins.Sorry i like Hopkins but Calzaghe will beat him with ease!

Manfredo is not serious opposition. Joe beat him up because of the name recognition in the USA. He didn't even want to fight Manfredo, he was bored of those kind of fights where he can't get motivated.

He didn't win every fight in amateurs, by the way. His last loss was 1990, but it was extremely controversial, to the point where some of the judges were fired. Still, 18 years without losing a fight is extremely impressive.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Thread started by a guy that thought Paul Williams was the next Tommy Hearns and thinks Roy Jones Jr could easily still clean out the LHW division.

Men if that is true!, men this guy is just an ignorant of boxing.He should stop posting. pWilliams Tommy hearns?he colud not even pass Quintana.

[Kris Silver]

Many people, more from the US, said Lacy and Manfredo were big up and comers, quite solid before they met Joe, and he stunned them and people into realising they're not on his level. It's only since people have dis credited Lacy and Manfredo, thus the recognistion for Joe of those wins.

Who was the 1990 fight against FRKO, got any info or links for it? Didn't know judges got fired over it, that's mad, wonder what his first loss before that was. Btw, check your inbox mate!!

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Manfredo is not serious opposition. Joe beat him up because of the name recognition in the USA. He didn't even want to fight Manfredo, he was bored of those kind of fights where he can't get motivated.

He didn't win every fight in amateurs, by the way. His last loss was 1990, but it was extremely controversial, to the point where some of the judges were fired. Still, 18 years without losing a fight is extremely impressive.

Yeap! 18 years without losing is very impresive He will bea Hopkins with ease. You will see. People just give Hopkins a chance to win because of his name in America and Calzaghe is comming from europe. But this wont be like the hatton-Mayweather fight. This time the euro guy is the bigger, stronger faster, younger men.

[bluemax]

hopkins has nothing to lose in this fight no matter the outcome. well, unless its a brutal ko in the first round but we all know that ain't happening. hops is 43 years old and this will be calz's toughest fight, that is exactly why I think he is overrated. he has yet to fight a great opponent in their primes.

So the theory is Calzaghe is over rated because he's undefeated and he.ll outbox Hopkins by a wide decision instead of knocking him out in the first round. Well based on this I guess Calzaghe is one of the best over rated fighters of his era, probally the best super middleweight ever will most likely retire undefeated. Yup sounds over rated to me too!!