How could Roy Jones Junior be the best of this era?

[Azteca]

That is why I have said James Toney COULD HAVE BEEN. You really need to read what I say before putting words in my mouth.

If you do not Judge a fighter on how good he is, then what do you judge him on?

FACTS.

Who he fought.
The prospects he fought.
Did He clean up a division?
How many undefeated prospects did he take on?
Did he fight guys in their hometowns...

Not on folklore and how good someone 'thinks' they are.

But the real thing.

[shawn_]

Toney v Jones is on vs

[K-Nan]

yep....montell had great potential...i remember watching his schooling of amateur star jeremy williams for the olyimpic spot in the light heavy divison back in 96....and griffin was inexperienced as ****...in the first fight i had him beating roy by a point going to the 9th....then roy got himslef DQ'ed even though he had figured out griffin....but yeah the rematch and egtting rid of futch ruined montell...

He was beating Roy until Jones got to him. And you could tell Roy was pissed about getting beat because of the late hit. He seemed like Terry Norris for a second.. lol..

[-Hyperion-]

by the way, yeah jones = teh best....

[K-Nan]

Tek.. comfortably ahead? That's crazy. A point or two, at most.

[Sweet Pete]

That is why I have said James Toney COULD HAVE BEEN. You really need to read what I say before putting words in my mouth.

If you do not Judge a fighter on how good he is, then what do you judge him on?

You said that about Toney in your original post. In the post I quoted, you said "I judge fighters based on their best performances because that is all that matters, how good they could be." But perhaps you meant that you judge fighters at their best. Understandable, but doesn't fly with me because sometimes you just don't know if they have what it takes to do it against better opposition, or different styles, etc. And Toney falls into that. Looked great against the right opponent, not so much against others.

I judge a fighter on what they accomplish.

[Sweet Pete]

Yup. he pulled it out when he needed to. The 12th round of the Jirov fight was proof of this too. He stood up to Jirov's final rush.

I'll go on the record as saying that he's one of the best of our era, but not in the top 3. Top 10, maybe.

Top 10 of our era? I will back that statement as well.

[-Hyperion-]

in that case, nunn had much more talent than toney.......up til teh ko punch he was ****ing masterful.....

[Azteca]

3 rounds ahead. THati s pretty comfortable going into the 9th.

[shawn_]

FACTS.

Who he fought.
The prospects he fought.
Did He clean up a division?
How many undefeated prospects did he take on?
Did he fight guys in their hometowns...

Not on folklore and how good someone 'thinks' they are.

But the real thing.

Its is pointless to argue with you because you really do not know that much about boxing in general, yet alone the nuances of the fight game, and I don't believe you would really care to understand them.

Sweat Pete, on the other hand, I believe makes a serious attempt to understand boxing, but he has not yet fully grasped the concept of skilled inside fighting, which is okay because eventually he will.

Pete, I can tell you have an obvious preference towards slick outside boxing, just as I do.

It was hard for me to fully come to terms with the skills of James Toney. I use to be just like you, I didn't think to highly of the man. Thought he was an overrated, overweight nobody.

Then one day, I finally began to understand the inside game. I went back, watched all of the James Toney I could find, and had a whole new appreciation for how truly gifted the man was.

He did not lose fights because of skill, but because of poor conditioning, and preparation.