How could Roy Jones Junior be the best of this era?

[shawn_]

I never characterized him as that at all. You quoted me as saying that, and then I explained myself to you. Duran also was one who had trouble with movers/slicksters, but he was much more than that description you just gave of him. He was one of the most versatile in-fighters of all time. Against any style other than the most skilled of movers/slickters, he was damn near unbeatable in his prime.

Again, my point is not what you think of my understanding of the inside game, it is how you fail to acknowledge my points on the fact that Toney had a great inside game, one you respect a lot, but the fact that his outside game and his ability to adapt to other styles wasn't that good. And I'm sorry, but blaming that on "lack of dedication" is absurd.

I do see where your thought process is going. You feel that because James Toney did not like to get up on his toes and box defensively that he had trouble doing so.

He didn't while I will admit he is not the best outside fighter ever, he was sufficiently skilled in the area to hang with anyone who did not have a considerable reach advantage over him. Lets face it, no matter how good of a boxer you are, its nearly impossible to out box a good boxer who has a huge range advantage over you.

James Toney had the range and ability to box from the outside effectively at Middleweight. Even at supper middleweight, I think he was out of shape most of the time, with most of the extra weight being fat and not muscle.

What you really fail to realize is that James Toney moved up in weight not because he couldn't make the weight an more, but because he did not have the dedication to keep it off. Being fat and out of shape is not conducive to a strong outside game. Even Muhammad Ali had trouble on the outside when he came in out of shape.

This gave Toney problems boxing on the outside. He didn't have the stamina to stay up on his toes for very long.

So basically, at everything above 160lb, Toney was becoming a more and more overweight and undersized fighter.

[Azteca]

Weight doesn't matter with throwbacks when it comes to outside fighting, or infighting for that matter.

It's all about skills. Not about the weight.

Buddy.

[shawn_]

Weight doesn't matter with throwbacks when it comes to outside fighting, or infighting for that matter.

It's all about skills. Not about the weight.

Buddy.

You are incredible. Are you going to challenge physics again? Are you denying that it take more energy to move a large amount of mass than it take to move a smaller amount of mass?

[Azteca]

I already told you. I am not a numbers geek. I dont need numbers to tell me something about sports.

Here's a number for you. 70-6-3.

Guess who??

[shawn_]

I already told you. I am not a numbers geek. I dont need numbers to tell me something about sports.

Here's a number for you. 70-6-3.

Guess who??

Just like I don't need physics to tell me that a out of shape fat man would have trouble dancing around on his toes, but apparently you do because you see no correlation between weight and lack of mobility.

[Azteca]

It doesn't matter in BOXING.

A throwbacks a throwback. You dont lose your skills just because you get older or fatter as you so eloquently put it.

I guarantee Magic is still money from behind the arc.

But you wouldn't know that because you're a number's cruncher.

I even had a guy at work tell me today that "sports are meaningless, politcs are the true blood sport".

Are you one of those?

[shawn_]

It doesn't matter in BOXING.

A throwbacks a throwback. You dont lose your skills just because you get older or fatter as you so eloquently put it.

I guarantee Magic is still money from behind the arc.

But you wouldn't know that because you're a number's cruncher.

I even had a guy at work tell me today that "sports are meaningless, politcs are the true blood sport".

Are you one of those?

You dont lose your skills, but you know what? Being a slick boxer dancing around the ring is kind of dependent on your ability to actually dance around the ring.

Obviously, that is way beyond your reasoning ability. You must think that the only reason heavyweights don't move around as well as lightweights is because they were dropped on their heads as babies.

[BigHeat]

Jones is the best of his era, he made one monumental mistake...............He let Tarver goad him into losing 25 pounds of muscle for a fight..........he's never been the same since..........losing 25 pounds of fat might make you stronger but 25 pounds of muscle loss will only make you weak and drained

DLH never makes this mistake, notice he wont fight below '54

[Azteca]

No, no it doesn't.

Obviously they are not as mobile and they are not in prime fighting shape, but from a technical standpoint, they dont lose a damn thing. And if they do, they get it back in about a week.

True ****.

Oh and by the way, the hw's require a different skillset that is totally different from every other weight class.

Looping punches...if you throw them. Does not matter as much. HW's arenn't exactly sharpshooters, unless your name is Joe Louis.

You seen film of him, or have you heard of him?

[shawn_]

It doesn't matter in BOXING.

A throwbacks a throwback. You dont lose your skills just because you get older or fatter as you so eloquently put it.

I guarantee Magic is still money from behind the arc.

But you wouldn't know that because you're a number's cruncher.

I even had a guy at work tell me today that "sports are meaningless, politcs are the true blood sport".

Are you one of those?

Actually, there are only 3 sports. Fighting, Motor Racing, and Mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.

I don't know where you got the idea that I am a number cruncher, when have I used numbers to quantify a fighter?