How could Roy Jones Junior be the best of this era?

[Azteca]

By the way, back to Roy Jones:
Roy Jones Jr. was more of a circus act then a GREAT fighter.

Roy Jones NEVER went out of his way to seek out challenging competition. He created artificial challenges through bogus stunts: playing pro basketball the day of a fight. Knocking guys out with this hands behind his back. Singing (actually lip syncing) a rap song during his entrance into the ring.

He needed to create challenges through ring competition. And it seemed like whatever weightclass Roy was in, when competition seemed to get close, he bailed out and moved up in weight.

[Azteca]

Its is pointless to argue with you because you really do not know that much about boxing in general, yet alone the nuances of the fight game, and I don't believe you would really care to understand them.

Sweat Pete, on the other hand, I believe makes a serious attempt to understand boxing, but he has not yet fully grasped the concept of skilled inside fighting, which is okay because eventually he will.

Pete, I can tell you have an obvious preference towards slick outside boxing, just as I do.

It was hard for me to fully come to terms with the skills of James Toney. I use to be just like you, I didn't think to highly of the man. Thought he was an overrated, overweight nobody.

Then one day, I finally began to understand the inside game. I went back, watched all of the James Toney I could find, and had a whole new appreciation for how truly gifted the man was.

He did not lose fights because of skill, but because of poor conditioning, and preparation.

Umm.....k. What a great enlightening post.

You really made me like James Phoney.

And you're spouting your mouth of for what reason? Ya damn keyboard warrior.

Shut it. Cook my steak and eggs woman.

[-Hyperion-]

Its is pointless to argue with you because you really do not know that much about boxing in general, yet alone the nuances of the fight game, and I don't believe you would really care to understand them.

Sweat Pete, on the other hand, I believe makes a serious attempt to understand boxing, but he has not yet fully grasped the concept of skilled inside fighting, which is okay because eventually he will.

Pete, I can tell you have an obvious preference towards slick outside boxing, just as I do.

It was hard for me to fully come to terms with the skills of James Toney. I use to be just like you, I didn't think to highly of the man. Thought he was an overrated, overweight nobody.

Then one day, I finally began to understand the inside game. I went back, watched all of the James Toney I could find, and had a whole new appreciation for how truly gifted the man was.

He did not lose fights because of skill, but because of poor conditioning, and preparation.

you think calderon is the best fighter in the worlf :

Sosa KO8 Calderon.....

[K-Nan]

Its is pointless to argue with you because you really do not know that much about boxing in general, yet alone the nuances of the fight game, and I don't believe you would really care to understand them.

Sweat Pete, on the other hand, I believe makes a serious attempt to understand boxing, but he has not yet fully grasped the concept of skilled inside fighting, which is okay because eventually he will.

Pete, I can tell you have an obvious preference towards slick outside boxing, just as I do.

It was hard for me to fully come to terms with the skills of James Toney. I use to be just like you, I didn't think to highly of the man. Thought he was an overrated, overweight nobody.

Then one day, I finally began to understand the inside game. I went back, watched all of the James Toney I could find, and had a whole new appreciation for how truly gifted the man was.

He did not lose fights because of skill, but because of poor conditioning, and preparation.

When a man stands flat footed, dead center in front of you.. and you STILL can't hit him? Then he's got something.

[shawn_]

You said that about Toney in your original post. In the post I quoted, you said "I judge fighters based on their best performances because that is all that matters, how good they could be." But perhaps you meant that you judge fighters at their best. Understandable, but doesn't fly with me because sometimes you just don't know if they have what it takes to do it against better opposition, or different styles, etc. And Toney falls into that. Looked great against the right opponent, not so much against others.

I judge a fighter on what they accomplish.

We have already had this discussion before, you favor resumes, I favor ability in a head to head match-up. Head to head, well you can do is all that matters, especially since my argument is about IF James Toney had dedication.

Dedication would have allowed Toney to perform at his absolute best on a regular basis instead of sporadically throughout his career.

[K-Nan]

you think calderon is the best fighter in the worlf :

Sosa KO8 Calderon.....

Edgar has a Beristain style, don't you think? Not the typical Mexican fighter.

[Azteca]

only a moron favors potential and what he likes to define as 'ability'.

IBHOF agrees with you shawn!!

Dumb ass!!!

[Sweet Pete]

Its is pointless to argue with you because you really do not know that much about boxing in general, yet alone the nuances of the fight game, and I don't believe you would really care to understand them.

Sweat Pete, on the other hand, I believe makes a serious attempt to understand boxing, but he has not yet fully grasped the concept of skilled inside fighting, which is okay because eventually he will.

Pete, I can tell you have an obvious preference towards slick outside boxing, just as I do.

It was hard for me to fully come to terms with the skills of James Toney. I use to be just like you, I didn't think to highly of the man. Thought he was an overrated, overweight nobody.

Then one day, I finally began to understand the inside game. I went back, watched all of the James Toney I could find, and had a whole new appreciation for how truly gifted the man was.

He did not lose fights because of skill, but because of poor conditioning, and preparation.

I understand the inside game better than you think, here's the thing though, the problem I think you have is that you look at how greatly skilled he was on the inside, but don't seem to realize if not allowed to play his game, then he would be forced to box with an outside fighter/slickster, which is why he lost fights, as well as lack of dedication.

He was great at what he did, but couldn't play another's game as well at all. I understand your appreciation for his inside skill, as being as skilled an inside fighter as himself(to move from MW to HW fighting there, all on skill) is really something else, but what I don't think you're wanting to grasp is how he could be taken out of his game.

[shawn_]

When a man stands flat footed, dead center in front of you.. and you STILL can't hit him? Then he's got something.

Exactly what I have been trying to get across. Even when James Toney was so fat and out of shape that he more than likely could not run 100 yards, he still managed to be nearly unhittable.

[Azteca]

Toney got slapped around every time he faced an opponent faster then him.

He moved up to heavyweight cause he was a lazy ****. And he could see those punches coming from a mile away from those lazy slobs.

Even then, he should of lost to Rahman (he did on my card) and he did lose to Samuel Peter....

Twice.

Talk about a great fighter. lol lol Throwback maybe...but not the atg that you guys are talking about.

Even Eubank would beat him.