for people who say that boxing isnt about knockouts

[JoartCC]

This is ridiculous. So with no Ko a fight is boring? Or unless there are knockdowns left right and centre? So you would prefer to watch a Mike Tyson one round destruction of some hack to a great fight that shows the most amount of skill as well...like Duran Leonard?

Willie pep boring? You mus not have seen his wars with Saddler. They were anything but boring and anything but him running away.

Also, tell me if you were fighting a much larger individual than yourself would you duck and avoid his punch then give him a wolloping uppercut? Or would you not move your head and get smacked and then try to hit him back if you haven't been KO'ed?

Go look at the records for fights of the year. Half of them are decisions. Fights that went the distance with no KO's. What a ****** thread.

Edit: What about the fight in my sig? Barrera giving a boxing lesson to Hamed. No KO's and no KD's yet it has to be one of the most exciting fights ever!

You don't get the point.

Boxing is about brutality not some pot-shotting, chicken-running, bear-hugging contest like what Fake Floyd usually does.

The main reason why MMA is taking a big chunk off boxing is because boxing presents champs like Fake Floyd whom when presented to the public the average fan will simply say...

"skill?? What skill? I paid to see this guy fight and all I see is him running like a chicken THE WHOLE ****ING FIGHT against a gassed out and shot DLH?".

A simple waste of time and money.

[BennyST]

You don't get the point.

Boxing is about brutality not some pot-shotting, chicken-running, bear-hugging contest like what Fake Floyd usually does.

The main reason why MMA is taking a big chunk off boxing is because boxing presents champs like Fake Floyd whom when presented to the public the average fan will simply say...

"skill?? What skill? I paid to see this guy fight and all I see is him running like a chicken THE WHOLE ****ING FIGHT against a gassed out and shot DLH?".

A simple waste of time and money.

No, actually, you don't get the point. If it was just about brutality and not skill then they wouldn't use gloves. There wouldn't be rules. There wouldn't be a ring. You would be able to use and hit with every part of your body, not just your hands.

The thing you're not seeing is that these guys train to be able to beat another guy in a ring with rules with just your fists. It is NOT a street fight. Thats what so many of you people that love seeing some guys winging at each other with no skill seem to miss.

If you train to fight in a boxing ring, you train to be able to hit the other guy with cleaner, harder more effective punches. You also train to make the other guy not be able to hit you with those punches. The scoring in boxing awards someone that can hit the other guy more while he himself does not get hit. If you are happy to get hit by punches, you're ******. It doesn't gain you anything...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. All you get is less points, less probability of scoring yourself, more fatigue and more problems later in life.

I don't see how you can enjoy watching two guys hit each other at will. With neither of them trying to defend and block and use strategy to get the upperhand. Watch last years fight of the year. Do you enjoy that more than say...Duran/Leonard 1? Have you even seen that fight? I can't stand to watch two guys that obviously have never trained to be able to make the other guy miss. It shows a lack of good proper training from a good trainer. It shows a lack of understanding the fight game and is plain ******.

Contrary to popular belief a fighter that gets hit constantly but doesn't go down doesn't mean that fighter has a real mans warrior spirit mentality and is courageous beyond our imagining. Every fighter that has the courage to step in the ring has courage and a warriors heart. Gatti doesn't have more courage than every other fighter. He just gets hit more than every other fighter when he doesn't need to. It has ruined his career and will probably ruin the rest of his, most likely, mentally damaged life.

You need to watch more fighters than just Pacquiao. In Pacs case, he would be twice the fighter he is if he could make his opponents miss him more. If he had more boxing skills. You need to watch Duran/Leonard. It is the ultimate example of two fighters going at each other but with real skill. The best example of offensive and DEFENSIVE mastery I've seen. They both make each other miss and then pay for missing. Thats the point of the game. I don't really care for Mayweather but he is better at doing just that than everyone he faces. That is why he is a better fighter.

Before you rant on about Mayweather being a girl, how many of his fights have you seen? If you had actually seen a lot of them you would know he doesn't run like you think. He has the skill to stand right in front of his opponent and make them miss every shot. You seem to think this makes him a *****? How? It takes more guts to do that than come in swinging wildly. You actually seem to be angry at him because he can do this. Why? Is it because Pacquiao can't? In some of his recent fights against much bigger opposition he used the ring more but thats only been two opponents. Two out of forty. Just because he doesn't get hit doesn't mean he runs because like it or not, he doesn't run. He stands right in front a lot of the time. Check out James Toney. He is the best example of a guy who stands right in front of his opponent and makes them miss everything. Do you think he is a ***** too?

[deevel79]

There is more to boxing than just "hit and not get hit". Its also about imposing your will and doing what it takes to take your opponent out. I dont mind watching an awsome display of defense, as long as he's using his defense to set up an offensive move. Some of you sweet-science aficionados seem to thing that a real boxing match consists of 2 guys doing whatever it takes to evade eachothers punches, all the while throwing minimal punches in return. How Cory Spinks has any fans is beyond me.

[deevel79]

So can one of you "sweet-science aficionados" explain why guys like Bhop/Winky/Floyd/Spinks have never (to my knowledge) been mentioned for a FOTY candidate.

[GunStar]

For examply this guy here.

Not only is he a damn liar.

He's also a hypocrite.

A prime example of someone without common sense.

What the **** is examply??

I'm a proud liar but I still know more then you will ever know n00b!

[Tysonisgod]

1975 Carmen Basilio W15 Ray Robinson
1975 Ray Robinson W15 Carmen Basilio
1963 Cassius Clay W10 Doug Jones
1964 Cassius Clay K07 Sonny Liston....in a fight where Ali said "i'm better now than when i was just a young immature running from sonny liston"...does this fight come under your true warrior thing, since ali RAN away from sonny listen but still beat him? and stopped him
1975 Muhammad Ali KO15 Joe Fraizer... no knock downs but a war and possibly best heavyweight fight in history

1978 Leon Spinks W15 Muhammed Ali ... was not a great fight and shouldnt have been fight of the year when Holems vs Norton and Duran vs Dejesus was in that year, was simply cos of the story that goes with it

1987 Ray Lenoard W12 Marvin Hagler and ran like a "chicken" as you like to call it

there are lots of fights of the year fights that went the distance and wasnt about, how the people who dont like boxing would say "to men standing punching each other just for money"

[Tysonisgod]

So can one of you "sweet-science aficionados" explain why guys like Bhop/Winky/Floyd/Spinks have never (to my knowledge) been mentioned for a FOTY candidate.

Well MR Defence himself Pernell Whitaker was mentioned for FOTY candidate in 93 with a draw against Chavez, 95 with a win against Vaquez, 1997 DLH's and Whitaker were candidates, Floyd Mayweather was a candidate in 2002 with his w12 over JLC, Winky Wright was candidate for his 2004 fight with Sugar Shane, also in 2004 Cory Spinks win over Judah got him a FOTY candidate and againt in 2005 Cory Spinks knock out loss to Zab was again a candidate for the fight of the year....all these are from the ring fight o the year

[-Antonio-]

Boooooooooooooooo

[sparked_85]

A great fight ordinarily in my mind is one that involves some toe to toe action. I mean when a guy runs all night and pot shots from the outside you can marvel at his speed and athleticism but your willing the other guy just to get inside him and make it interesting. Boxing is a sport......but they are fighting. Someone said impossing your will, I agree, your not really imposing your will if your potshotting, your winning. That's all.

[VIVA MEXICO!!!]

i think some people misunderstand what i was saying. there isnt a knockout in every fight but the fights that are exciting have two guys going for the knockout. we will always remember the toe to toe wars like barrera-morales trilogy even if there was no knockdowns because they went to war and each was looking for the knockout. when two guys are boxing and running from each other and more worried about defense that is boring and it is never ever considered for fight of the year. boxing is about the knockout.