Comparing Floyd vs The All Time Greats.

[eric maldonado]

who did hearns beat beside duran who did duran beat besides leonard those fighters are so great that after they lost to leonard they lost some more .floyd fought everyone he could fight cotto is the next fight that floyd has to have but margarito and williams are nobody so besides cotto floyd has fought the best opposition.leonard didn't want to fight hearns because he said they wouldn't make enough money because hearns wasn't that big of a name floyd does the same thing so if leonard could do it why can't floyd

[wpink1]

Eric maldonado...Based off what we see Floyd has no chance to beat a Prime Leonard who has beaten defensive fighters,,slick fighters..hard hitters, bigger fightrs..etc... Mayweather if he stepped up to Welter vs leoanrd or hearns..would get pounded into oblivion. He simply does not have the physical ablities to deal with a prime leoanrd or Hearns. I rate Duran over hearns pound per pound but when he stepped up vs hearns (it was at 154) he got destroyed. I rate Ray Leonard over Roy jones pound per pound, but if he stepped up to roy he would get destroyed.

True we never know until a fight is made, but one can look at styles, weaknesses, strenghts, past fights, habits..and get a good idea of how a good fight could most likely turn out. Mayweather would try to fight him like he did Judah, he would have no choice, and if you remember he was losing after 4 rounds. Ray is bigger and faster (with both hands and combinations) than judah. Ray would be even more effective after round 4 than he was the 1st four. That we can assume based on every fight he had during his peak he got better as the fight progressed, Benetiz, hearns, Duran both fights. Duran exposed a Weakness that really was not a weakness just something that a all time top 10 was better than him at, toe to toe. Mayweather would not dream of doing this. Speed Ray leonard at Welterweight would own this category ( not counterpunching but speed) and that magnifies when you figure he would have the height and reach advangtage too. Plus he was bigger physically.

So How would Mayweather try to attack Ray. Only way would be try to make ray miss and counter him. That means he would have to be in harms way, and depend on being faster than Ray..I dont think so, not at welterweight..When did you see Mayweather last put punches together in combinations..That was at the 140 pound limit. We saw Ray when he was before his peak fight vs Benitez and you saw an aggressive yet green ray out counter punch a all time great counterpuncher. Just imagine Ray fighting Benitez again after he matured, gained even more confidence, and toughend and strenghted up after the Duran fight.....

That is what Mayweather would be dealing with if he thought of facing Ray at Welterweight, probably the same beating his father took.

[Wiley Hyena]

Tzsyu is not a all-time great. Was he great at 140? Yes he was but Tzsyu is not a all-time great. Tzsyu is not on any all-time great lists that I have seen.
If Tzsyu is on a respected all-time great list I stand corrected and will have no problems saying you proved me wrong.

What the hell?? You very obviously know nothing about boxing. Tszyu is an assured ATG and Hall of Famer. Idiot. Tszyu was the first man in 30 years to consolidate the JRWW belts. lmao

[wpink1]

Eric man you need to learn your boxing..
Hearns beat Cuevas, Duran Benitez, Virgil Hill (when he was young at light heavy), james Kitchen...
Duran beat Ray, Palimino, some very good fighters at lightweight, Moore and barkley.

Also where do you get your facts. Leonard faced hearns in sept of 81.. Not sure where your getting your facts. Mayweather to me is not ducking people, I never said that, i think he is doing the best he can do. However these fighters are not the equivalent of duran 5 -6 division champ, Hearns 5-6 diviion champ, Benitez child prodegy 3 divison champ, Hagler one of the best middleweights ever.....

[Sweet Pete]

who did hearns beat beside duran

Cuevas, Benitez, Virgil Hill, as well as many champs and contenders that you will write off because you simply don't know who they are. Who has Floyd beaten that is as good as Duran or Benitez? Answer? Nobody. Also, bottom line, Hearns had the style to destroy Floyd. Have you ever even seen any of these other fighters fight? I doubt it. You seem to be someone who is a fan of one fighter and knows nothing about anyone else, yet you're trying to argue that he is better than them.

Tell, how does Floyd beat Hearns?

who did duran beat besides leonard

Esteban Dejesus, Ken Buchanan, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas, Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, and once again, a bunch of contenders you wouldn't know. The fighters named above, when given how big they were and at what stage Duran beat them, are certainly more impressive than Floyd's wins for the most part.

those fighters are so great that after they lost to leonard they lost some more

You write like a two year old. They lost because in Duran's case he was past his prime, and in Hearns case he didn't lose much, except to other greats like hagler or when he was past his prime at higher weights.

floyd fought everyone he could fight

LOL.

cotto is the next fight that floyd has to have but margarito and williams are nobody

He doesn't need to fight Margarito, but he needs to fight Williams after his next fight. Williams is one I honestly have a hard time seeing Floyd beat. Calling Williams a nobody further exposes your lack of knowledge, which you're doing a lot in this thread.

so besides cotto floyd has fought the best opposition.leonard didn't want to fight hearns because he said they wouldn't make enough money because hearns wasn't that big of a name floyd does the same thing so if leonard could do it why can't floyd

Leonard didn't say that, they fought didn't they? Leonard beat him didn't he? He beat Hearns, Hagler, Duran, and Benitez didn't he? Floyd has beaten noone near their level, and if he manages to dodge Cotto and Williams, he is officially not an all time elite.

[eric maldonado]

floyd lost 3 of the first 4 rounds and was not being dominated in no way and after the 5th round zabs face looked like he already went 12. leonards handspeed is not that fast i think judahs handspeed is faster hearns jab was faster than leonards were and i don't think floyd would knock him out but i see him getting a decision over leonard and i think floyd is better and faster than leonard when it comes to foot speed

[Sweet Pete]

What the hell?? You very obviously know nothing about boxing. Tszyu is an assured ATG and Hall of Famer. Idiot. Tszyu was the first man in 30 years to consolidate the JRWW belts. lmao

What in his resume makes him an ATG? He unified at 140. Wow, not exactly the deepest division. Very good fighter, but very beatable, and his resume is not top notch by any means. He beat an ancient Chavez and two decet southpaws in Judah and Mitchell. Not the stuff of ATG's.

[wpink1]

Sweet pete, I see you got Eric before I did...I am lost as to what he is talking about or where he gets his facts.

[Sweet Pete]

floyd lost 3 of the first 4 rounds and was not being dominated in no way and after the 5th round zabs face looked like he already went 12. leonards handspeed is not that fast i think judahs handspeed is faster hearns jab was faster than leonards were and i don't think floyd would knock him out but i see him getting a decision over leonard and i think floyd is better and faster than leonard when it comes to foot speed

You have no writing or analytical skills whatsoever. I didn't want to resort to insults, but honestly, arguing with you is like arguing with a two year old.

[Wiley Hyena]

What in his resume makes him an ATG? He unified at 140. Wow, not exactly the deepest division. Very good fighter, but very beatable, and his resume is not top notch by any means. He beat an ancient Chavez and two decet southpaws in Judah and Mitchell. Not the stuff of ATG's.

"Not a deep division." You friggin idiot. lmao