Comparing Floyd vs The All Time Greats.

[RodBarker]

He beat Chavez, Ramirez twice, McGirt twice, Vasquez at 154 for the title, Haugen, Nelson, Mayweather, Lomeli, Pendleton, Nazario, Paez and in mine and many others opinions De La Hoya.

Mayweather has has beaten an old De La Hoya, Judah, Castillo twice, Corrales, Hernandez, Manfredy, Jesus Chavez, Gatti, Mitchell, Baldomir, etc.

Compare the two, Whitaker arguably beat 5 fighters that were top 10 P4P at the time he fought them. Mayweather beat one in Corrales, and you're trying to tell me in any way, shape or form that Mayweather has accomplished more? Mayweather has titles in 5 weight classes, big whoop, Pea has 4, and fought and beat better competition in better fashion than Floyd did.

The thing here is Floyd hasnt been beaten yet , we dont know what the high water mark with him is , and he is not retired , so we have a situation where he has Hatton next and then if he wins maybe Cotto and then maybe another , now if Floyd wins his next few fights this whole argument changes , Ive said all along you cant compare him in history untill the show is over as his biggest impact fights on his legacy are about to happen .

[Sweet Pete]

The thing here is Floyd hasnt been beaten yet , we dont know what the high water mark with him is , and he is not retired , so we have a situation where he has Hatton next and then if he wins maybe Cotto and then maybe another , now if Floyd wins his next few fights this whole argument changes , Ive said all along you cant compare him in history untill the show is over as his biggest impact fights on his legacy are about to happen .

Fair enough. He'll beat Hatton for sure, but if he beats Cotto I will give him real props, as that will be the riskiest fight of his career and the best fighter he's faced. If he finds a way to duck that fight, he is officially nowhere near Whitaker's level.

[eric maldonado]

sugar ray is the best boxer of all time mainly because he was the pioneer and he was very talented especially for his era.ray leonard is one of the best fighters ever he beat the best lightweight welterweight and middle weight of his era and besides his lost to duran all the rest were when he was already washed up and over the hill.in my oppinion i think floyd could beat anybody if they are around his weight class even the great ali which i feel is kinda overrated.alot of the old boxers don't really impress me i don't understand why the maajority of old fighters are all time greats in peoples oppinions. just because you fight a great fighter doesn't make you a great fighter and i think alot of the older boxers r overrated not ali leonard or robinson but ther opponents

[cortdawg25]

Again, Ali was a Heavyweight, most lighter fighters are more skilled in comparison, but for his size Mayweather was not a better fighter, though he may have been more technical. Mayweather has never proven himself like Ali.


He beat Chavez, Ramirez twice, McGirt twice, Vasquez at 154 for the title, Haugen, Nelson, Mayweather, Lomeli, Pendleton, Nazario, Paez and in mine and many others opinions De La Hoya.

Mayweather has has beaten an old De La Hoya, Judah, Castillo twice, Corrales, Hernandez, Manfredy, Jesus Chavez, Gatti, Mitchell, Baldomir, etc.

Compare the two, Whitaker arguably beat 5 fighters that were top 10 P4P at the time he fought them. Mayweather beat one in Corrales, and you're trying to tell me in any way, shape or form that Mayweather has accomplished more? Mayweather has titles in 5 weight classes, big whoop, Pea has 4, and fought and beat better competition in better fashion than Floyd did.


SRL is better at everything but defense. He is bigger, stronger, much more powerful, faster hands and way better combos at 147, and an overall much better arsenal. Better reach to outbox him from the outside. EVerything is in his favor. He has no advantages except for defense, which he's gonna need a lot of to even survive this fight. Your claim is ridiculous.

Well then sorry, you just don't know what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure you're the only one besides Floyd and his family/managers who thinks that.

No way in hell, not a single way, he beats Hearns. Whitaker did everything better, as did SRL, as I've already explained. And if Castillo did that good against Floyd, you think Floyd beats Duran? LOL.

What da hell does size have to do with skill? It's very simple to see and answer, could Ali do everyhting that Floyd can, does he do it as well, the answer is No. The only thing Floyd can't do that Ali did was knock people out and even Ali wasn't some crazy KO artist.

Whitaker got a draw with Chavez, he didn't get a W in there fight. U bigging up McGirt has a quality win for Whitaker and then turn aorund and degrade Oscar as an old DelaHoya. remember Floyd fought him at 154 lbs in a small ring and with reyes gloves, hell he came fight night weighing 148 lbs. man get out of here, and what 4 weights did Pea become champ, please name them!

Again what does being bigger and stronger have to do with skill. Skill for skill SRL has nothing on Floyd. he only hits harder than floyd and that is it! And then u throw in SRL at 147 was faster stronger, we talking skil for skill, forget a weight division and size.

What castillo fight were u watching. The guy lost the 1st 5 rounds the 1st fight and Floyd was at 80% at best. His 1st time at 135 against the champ and with a Torn rototor cuff and he has no heart and hasn't proved anything...I'm done talking to u. Yes Hearns would have given him trouble, SRL would have gotten beat Judahesque like, Duran would have gotten beaten just like SRL beat him the 2nd time! whitaker would have given trouble as well being southpaw and just as quick and crafty.

[Sweet Pete]

]What da hell does size have to do with skill? It's very simple to see and answer, could Ali do everyhting that Floyd can, does he do it as well, the answer is No. The only thing Floyd can't do that Ali did was knock people out and even Ali wasn't some crazy KO artist.

Could Ali do everything Floyd can? Nope, but neither could Floyd do everything Ali could.

Whitaker got a draw with Chavez, he did get a W in there fight. U bigging up McGirt has a quality win for Whitaker and then turn aorund and degrade Oscar as an old DelaHoya. remember Floyd fought him at 154 lbs in a small ring and with reyes gloves, hell he came fight night weighing 148 lbs. man get out of here, and what 4 weights did Pea become champ, please name them!

Anyone who knows anything or saw the fight and didn't consult boxrec knows Whitaker dominated that fight with Chavez. It was no draw. And McGirt was not a quality win? He was a top 5 P4P fighter and WW champ when Pea beat him. De La Hoya was not a top 10 P4P. Try again.

Pea won titles at 135, 140 against Pineda, 147, and at 154 against Vasquez, the same guy who dominated Winky Wright. Thanks, try again.

Again what does being bigger and stronger have to do with skill. Skill for skill SRL has nothing on Floyd. he only hits harder than floyd and that is it! And then u throw in SRL at 147 was faster stronger, we talking skil for skill, forget a weight division and size.

SRl has the edge in everything other than defense, again. He has a much bigger offensive arsenal, faster hands at 147, and better combos.

My point is, you said Floyd would beat SRL. That is absurd. What do you mean what does size have to do with it? SRl has every skill advantage other than defense and he's bigger and stronger, that's why he wins. No way Floyd wins at 147. Simple as that, quit trying to twist it, you're fighting a losing battle here son, stop while you can.

What castillo fight were u watching. The guy lost the 1st 5 rounds the 1st fight and Floyd was at 80% at best. His 1st time at 135 against the champ and with a Torn rototor cuff and he has no heart and hasn't proved anything...I'm done talking to u.

I was watching the same Castillo fight where most people thought Castillo won. I gave it to Floyd, but Castillo did very well. Castillo lost four of the first 5 rounds, and pretty much dominated the second half of the fight aside from a few rounds. I had Mayweather just edging it because of what he did early on. My point was, Castillo did very well(arguably won), and you think Duran, who was better at everything and far more ferocious than Castillo would lose. If you'd like to debate this fight with me I will give analysis.

SRL would have gotten beat Judahesque like, Duran would have gotten beaten just like SRL beat him the 2nd time!

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[eric maldonado]

floyd could do anything ali can and yeah floyd never fought anyone like sugar ray but sugar ray never fought anybody like floyd sugar ray was getting outboxed by hearns yea he has the reach but i don't think he's as good a boxer as mayweather and oh yea floyd is undefeated pernell ali and leonard all have losses

[Sweet Pete]

floyd could do anything ali can and yeah floyd never fought anyone like sugar ray but sugar ray never fought anybody like floyd sugar ray was getting outboxed by hearns yea he has the reach but i don't think he's as good a boxer as mayweather and oh yea floyd is undefeated pernell ali and leonard all have losses

What is your point about their losses? What does that have to do with anything? Floyd has not fought nearly as good competition as they have, so obviously they will have more losses, as well as the fact that Floyd is not done with his career, and if manages to duck Cotto and Williams like I think he will, he will probably keep his undefeated record by virtue of not fighting the best.

Sugar Ray fought bigger and better fighters than Floyd, such as Hearns, Hagler, and Duran. So yeah, he definitely faced better competition, and has faced fighters on Floyd's level before, which Floyd can't say about him.

Ray was not as technical as Floyd, that doesn't mean he wasn't as good. Floyd's only advantage is his defense. Floyd is more orthodox, regardless of what you think, that doesn't make him better, just more robotic.

Ray has the size, strength, speed, power, and overall offensive edge, as well as movement just as good and a better reach and outside game. Floyd holds the edge in defense, that is all. How does he win this fight?

And as far as you saying he was getting outboxed by Hearns, Floyd would've gotten beaten far worse than SRL was by Hearns, and there's no way he would've been able to get the win like Leonard did.

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Hey I should get royalties on this thread, cuz it is my article that I wrote on East side boxing.

[Sweet Pete]

Hey I should get royalties on this thread, cuz it is my article that I wrote on East side boxing.

Why the **** was my account deleted? Do you know or have any access to any of that? I got a ten day ban, tried to sign in, and they had deleted my account. What the ****? My account there was Sweet Pea.

[Easy-E]

No, I think I just disproved your theory is all.

You make no sense. You said "what he can do in the ring". If the other fighters I mentioned can beat him, how is he better? Because he looks flashier? Certainly not because he accomplished more, because he didn't.

In terms of how flashy he looks, sure he may look better, but that doesn't make him better.

Talent is what someone is capable of, if those guys are capable of beating him moreson than he is capable of beating them, I'd say they are more talented at boxing.

So in your opinion Junior Jones was a better fighter than Marco Antiono Barrera?
They fought twice, and Jones bested him both times.