Klitco vs Fraizer

[dempseyfire]

I don't listen to what other people say about Ali, I've seen many of his fights numerous times-is he 'the greatest??' In my opinion no. Was he one of the greatest HWs of all time? NO question. Does his hand and footspeed rank up with the fastest HWs ever-no question.

[Yogi]

Jesus Christ!

Some people actually think Vitali would beat an all-timer like Joe Frazier?

Nevermind a matchup with Frazier, Vitali Klitschko would have his struggles with the likes of Jess Willard and Primo Carnera.

[Neuraxis]

Whats with the patronizing tone? So, u have told me the exact size difference between them. U know u get to a point when that size stops working for you and starts working against u. As a previous poster mentioned, Joe would likely have trouble for a round or 2. But when he becomes accustomed to VK size and strength he would be relentless. VK is no Ali. He is also no Foreman. Hed soak up what he could for maybe 8 or 9 rounds (at most) and when that massive weight hes carrying starts getting harder to lug around the ring Joe would have him. Fight over.

I cant believe people are so impressed with Vitalis performance against Lewis. If Vitali thinks he almost beat the real Lewis that night then he better wake up. Lewis was past his best years before that. I also think Lennox wouldve won if the fight had gone on. His experience woulda likely got him thru. Or not. Who knows. I will say this though, the biggest surprise i got from that fight was VK's chin. Yeah, he can take a shot i will give him that.

But a guy like Joe Frazier hits hard and often and hard and often and hard and often. He had Ali, who maybe had the best chin outta the whole lot of em, staggering several times and down once in their 3 fights. If VK had similiar power to Foreman then Id give him a chance but he doesnt. The night VK fought Lennox, foreman wouldve had Lewis outta there in under 4 rounds. I just dont see a way for him to beat Frazier. Thats 'my' opinion. I enjoy hearing other peoples opinions though without the need to patronise or deride. Im not that insecure about my own thoughts on the matter unlike some people.

You can't compare athleticism of the past to modern day athleticism. They don't hit as hard back then as they do now plane and simple. Bird or Wilkens would be nothing that they were in the 80s if they played current NBA. Why is this so hard for people to grasp? If Frazier wins it'd be by points. How in the world would he be able to reach Vitali upstairs? Steward would make sure that his cup was as high as Lewis's was against Holyfield. It was nearly covering his pectorals, so that renders the body punch ineffective. And there is no way someone that short would be able to catch him upstairs. Speaking of Lewis I'd pick Lewis prime for prime to beat any heavyweight.

[Neuraxis]

Jesus Christ!

Some people actually think Vitali would beat an all-timer like Joe Frazier?

Nevermind a matchup with Frazier, Vitali Klitschko would have his struggles with the likes of Jess Willard and Primo Carnera.

Its not our fault that you are mentally challenged.

[Neuraxis]

First off, being 5'11 doesn't mean your not a big puncher you clown. Bonavena was a FIT 210 lbs on a compact frame and was what David Tua should've been if he had ever gotten his ass in proper shape. And Francis can say all he wants he doesn't even remember the punches from Tyson b/c Mike KTFO him like a bad habit. Please explain to me how Klitschko can land HIS BEST PUNCH on Lewis and Sanders as many times as he did and they didn't even go down, the same Lewis who got wobbled by Mercer, Bruno, Tucker, Akinwande, Briggs etc. and knocked out by Rahman and McCall and Corrie 'golf is my true passion' Sanders who got starched by Rahman and journeyman Nate Tubbs. And the size thing is ******-Buster Mathis was 245 and 6'5 and a much better boxer then Vitali will ever be and Frazier ate him up. How could someone who doesn't know how to fight on the inside AT ALL beat Joe Frazier, the Joe Frazier who was able to get inside on Ali, who's jab and speed was in ANOTHER league to Klitschko. Frazier would bob and weave inside of Klitschko's pawing and slow lefts and rights with no problem. And Vitali was tired against Sanders, b/c Corrie managed to throw 20 second bursts a round?? Klitschko would get knocked out by his own fatigue with the work-rate and attack Frazier would provide. This really is a no-contest and if you Klitschko fans want to spout off how good he is in this era, go right ahead. But saying he would beat an all time great like Frazier just shows a lack of knowledge.

No, not recognizing the evolution of boxing shows a lack of knowledge.

[cple]

You can't compare athleticism of the past to modern day athleticism. They don't hit as hard back then as they do now plane and simple. Bird or Wilkens would be nothing that they were in the 80s if they played current NBA. Why is this so hard for people to grasp? If Frazier wins it'd be by points. How in the world would he be able to reach Vitali upstairs? Steward would make sure that his cup was as high as Lewis's was against Holyfield. It was nearly covering his pectorals, so that renders the body punch ineffective. And there is no way someone that short would be able to catch him upstairs. Speaking of Lewis I'd pick Lewis prime for prime to beat any heavyweight.

I don't want to get off topic, but i just can't shake off what you said about Bird and Wilkins. Are you saying that the 80s players wouldn't be able to compete with today's NBA stars? Bird was pretty much Peja Stojacovic and Dirk Nowitzki rolled into one but wasn't soft, could play defense, was ten times more clutch and had ten times the understanding of the game. So Jordan, who played in the same era as Wilkins, wouldn't a superstar today? Hell, a 40 year old version of Mike was still one of the top 10 players in the league. Don't mistake athleticism and flashy dunks as being better.

As for the statement, "They don't hit as hard back then as they do now plane and simple", how could anyone prove this?

[Yogi]

Its not our fault that you are mentally challenged.

Good one, kid.

Nor is it your fault that you've only been a boxing fan for a couple of years and have bought into this media creation that is known as Vitali Klitschko.

But don't worry, I have been there before when I believed the hype surrounding both Duane Bobick and Gerry Cooney, so I give you my sympathy in advance, for when Vitali takes that eventual crash to the canvas that will happen sooner, rather than later.

[leff]

you never get tired of exposing yourself for the useless dreamers that you are. please, go clean ahead, predict that williams will knock vitalli (pronounce white-ally) in 4. just do it!

as for this frazier character, does'ent he look a little punchy these days, took a little many hard punches to the head maybe?

in his day he came on like the energizer bunny, he'd land on ali for 15 rounds and scarsely put him down.. this should TELL you something..

vitalli with his devastating punching power and the word is soviet style latteral movement would make frazier look like just another one of them fools he's dropping all over.

what foreman did to frazier vitalli vould do in the opening round, only he would make frazier look even more comical in the process.

vitalli is a matador with a soviet matador style, and all you ****** bull****ters will never get that.

keep droppin'!

Your absolutely right that, people dont see the genius of the style, i sparred with a 40year about 5.8 and 200 pounds.
First i lauft of his weird russian style, no jabb, no footwork.
Seemed wery weird, but he gave a hell of a sparring.
Althiug im 6ft 185pounds, box active and am in a lopt better shape.
It looks ****** but its damn efectiv having an unortodox style.
Have all you guys talking about hi socalled boxing style tried too fight it? I think not.
Oh by the way Vits style is a lot more german than soviet.

God dag forresten.

[Panzergirl]

Your absolutely right that, people dont see the genius of the style, i sparred with a 40year about 5.8 and 200 pounds.
First i lauft of his weird russian style, no jabb, no footwork.
Seemed wery weird, but he gave a hell of a sparring.
Althiug im 6ft 185pounds, box active and am in a lopt better shape.
It looks ****** but its damn efectiv having an unortodox style.
Have all you guys talking about hi socalled boxing style tried too fight it? I think not.
Oh by the way Vits style is a lot more german than soviet.

God dag forresten.

Hey, you box aktiv? what club do you represent?

Hyggelig.

[marvdave]

Bird or Wilkens would be nothing that they were in the 80s if they played current NBA. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?

I don't consider Wilkens an all time elite player becuase he was strickly a ball hog/scorer who player no d and never won a thing.

The reason it is so hard to grasp for us simpletons, is becuase it is a bunch of crap. Bird,Magic,Isaiah, Moses Malone,etc would dominate today just as they did in the 80's. Todays lazy, no defense playing jungle ballers can't hold a candle to those guys. Having bigger muscles doesn't make you a better athlete. If you watch todays NBA and think they are better than the 80's, you are crazy. The best style of basketball to watch now is Europeen ball. They play true basketball. Play defense, pass the ball and know how to shoot outside of 10 feet.